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Sep 30 2025 05:08am
Lets be 'ingenious' and lay out in detail the kind of events you are trying to compare

The left wing spends years demonizing Charlie Kirk and calling him a fascist and nazi, with numerous assaults on his tablers at college campuses, organized groups trying to disrupt or intimidate or threaten him, all kinds of extremist rhetoric directed at him to justify attacking him- and a guy cites antifa and those exact liberal talking points while assassinating him in an overt act of political violence.
The left wing spends years making the case that healthcare funding is life or death and fatalist and any opposition to their policies is murder, demonizing the republican obstruction to the ACA. A left wing guy who worked as a Bernie staffer goes out and tries to gun down Republican congressmen at a baseball field in virginia while shouting "This is for healthcare"
The left wing spends years demonizing ICE agents and declaring that enforcing our immigration law is fascist and those who do it are nazis, with democratic politicians leading riots against ICE agents and openly antagonizing and threatening them and trying to intimidate them. They are subjected to orders of magnitude more threats and violence by left-wingers, eventually leading to attempted sniper attacks on multiple occasions.

and lets compare this to

The right wing spends years courting mormons and folding them into the MAGA movement until they are all chummy friends, with Mormons being overwhelming a MAGA bloc and in alignment with Trump. The republicans frequently make accommodations for them and don't tolerate any anti-mormon bigotry in their party, which frankly is so uncommon and unheard of that its not actually recognized as a 'thing'. Then one random right-wing guy with an insane grudge against Mormons goes out and kills them, which is still pretty inexplicable to anyone and nobody can really cite why he hated Mormons, just that he did.

Do you really need the difference explained?
Give you a hint, the guys who murdered jews in a firebomb attack, murdered jewish staffers in a shooting and did all other sorts of left-wing anti-semitic violence: Were not being radicalized by AIPAC talking points or motivated by the ADL's calls to action.


You seem mostly motivated by painting the left as violent and the right as not, which is just not what the data supports. This is why your posts have to be two pages long, while mine can be short and precise:

1. Violent crimes are overwhelmingly likely done by young men without perspectives.

2. Those same losers are the target of right wing populism for at least a decade by now, due to them being an easy target and whiny bitches that think other people are to blame for their own shortcommings.

=> the right is more violent because they cater to the population that is more likely to be violent.

See, easy? I don't need to construe anything, two simple observations and we can easily explain the data.

Edit: as a last remark: you have insanely violent rhetoric from both sides in your politics. This is at least partially due to Trump, before him there was at least some decency and restraint in your discourse. Your orange jesus might be more of a symptom than a cause but who knows.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Sep 30 2025 05:11am
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Sep 30 2025 05:12am

By your logic, we should count black on black crime as right wing - maybe this can help you identify why this is fucking idiotic.


You just proved you don't understand the analogy. No, that's not what my logic would dictate at all. Black on black crime is not right-wing. Intra-racial black crime is endemic to inner cities and blighted suburbs. How many black Republican mass murderers do you know about going on shootin' sprees in the inner city specifically hunting blacks? It's not a thing. What you're imagining in your little noodle isn't a thing.

Try to imagine this church shooter targeting an abortion clinic. That would be a right-wing style murder. But he targeted mormons. Right-wingers do not hate mormons. The murder is not in alignment with right wing ideology or politics, which is distinct from Iryna and Charlie's murders, which most definitely do align with left-wing ideology. Miss the point again, I dare you
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Sep 30 2025 05:13am
We reached max level mental gymnastics, good job.
If you actually cared to look at data right wing violence is in general not well targetted, while leftwing violence is mostly against right wing people and police - make of that what you will.
By your logic, we should count black on black crime as right wing - maybe this can help you identify why this is fucking idiotic.


Because its not right-wing. Not every attack neatly fits into some left/right dichotomy. Some attacks do fit neatly into accurate descriptors, like being religiously-motivated violence. Notice how we usually break down terrorism as left, right & islam? Rarely we get kooky christian or even hindu motivated violence, and the evidence so far points to this being a pretty clear cut case. The guy had just talked to a politician days earlier and expressed almost total disinterest in politics and ambivalence towards partisan issues, but was overwhelmingly hateful towards Mormons on solely religious grounds.
As I'll note;

>Political & Religious Debate

Incidents like this are as few and far between as they are unpredictable to classify. There was no reason for people to rush to jump to conclusions like they did, before we had any actual inkling of motive. Now we know the guy thought Mormons were the anti-christ and 'put themselves above jesus'. Something utterly incoherent with Trump's explicitly pro-Mormon brand of MAGA republicanism, but very much the beliefs of a radical protestant (or catholic? or something?) militant with an anti-LDS hate boner.

I really don't think you should need it explained to you why we discuss the escalating cycles of politician violence when the left-wing in American expresses seething violent hatred towards ICE agents and openly calls for attacks on them, only for ICE agents to be attacked by radical leftists. And how this is not comparable to a lone religious militant acting on beliefs that he doesn't share with anyone else, directly opposite to the political mainstream he voted for.
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Sep 30 2025 05:14am
You just proved you don't understand the analogy. No, that's not what my logic would dictate at all. Black on black crime is not right-wing. Intra-racial black crime is endemic to inner cities and blighted suburbs. How many black Republican mass murderers do you know about going on shootin' sprees in the inner city specifically hunting blacks? It's not a thing. What you're imagining in your little noodle isn't a thing.

Try to imagine this church shooter targeting an abortion clinic. That would be a right-wing style murder. But he targeted mormons. Right-wingers do not hate mormons. The murder is not in alignment with right wing ideology or politics, which is distinct from Iryna and Charlie's murders, which most definitely do align with left-wing ideology. Miss the point again, I dare you


I did not miss anything, you explicitly said because the targets were mormons it is more of a leftwing crime (just ignoring that the murderer was maga because facts are boring).

So if the targets are black, we can apply your "logic" and call it more a rightwing crime (ignoring who is the perpretrator in the same way you do). Easy enough to follow for you? Great, so black on black crime is rightwing now.

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Sep 30 2025 05:16am
Because its not right-wing. Not every attack neatly fits into some left/right dichotomy. Some attacks do fit neatly into accurate descriptors, like being religiously-motivated violence. Notice how we usually break down terrorism as left, right & islam? Rarely we get kooky christian or even hindu motivated violence, and the evidence so far points to this being a pretty clear cut case. The guy had just talked to a politician days earlier and expressed almost total disinterest in politics and ambivalence towards partisan issues, but was overwhelmingly hateful towards Mormons on solely religious grounds.
As I'll note;

>Political & Religious Debate

Incidents like this are as few and far between as they are unpredictable to classify. There was no reason for people to rush to jump to conclusions like they did, before we had any actual inkling of motive. Now we know the guy thought Mormons were the anti-christ and 'put themselves above jesus'. Something utterly incoherent with Trump's explicitly pro-Mormon brand of MAGA republicanism, but very much the beliefs of a radical protestant (or catholic? or something?) militant with an anti-LDS hate boner.

I really don't think you should need it explained to you why we discuss the escalating cycles of politician violence when the left-wing in American expresses seething violent hatred towards ICE agents and openly calls for attacks on them, only for ICE agents to be attacked by radical leftists. And how this is not comparable to a lone religious militant acting on beliefs that he doesn't share with anyone else, directly opposite to the political mainstream he voted for.


It is awfully convenient that crimes done by people you don't like are the direct result of a political agenda while crimes done by people supporting your party are done by mentally ill loners.

You might be misunderstanding me, my point is that most people that throw away their life to kill somebody they don't know are not right in the head. This is my whole point, honestly. Maybe get away from your sports team mentalitiy in politics and realize that guns, male losers without perspective and violent rhetoric leads to dead people and stop rationalizing one side.

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Sep 30 2025 05:23am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14BMN0aTYfg

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEAEkdipiyo

The democrats were riling up liberals into hatred and spurring violence right to the very top of the ticket
Tim Walz gave a speech saying:

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Donald Trump’s modern-day Gestapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They’re in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons, no chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye, just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans, and disappeared.


He said this just a few months ago. How many ICE agents have been targeted by violent leftists since then? How many shot at, how many stalked or doxxed.
That wasn't some nutwing fringe pundit disavowed by the mainstream, like Nick Fuentes is to the right. That was the man democrats nominated as their vice presidential candidate. He said "Oh, the Governor’s being mean,’ well, maybe it’s time for us to be a little meaner, maybe it’s time for us to be a little more fierce"

That's the difference
Political violence that stems from political animus shared by an entire party, spread from its politicians, stoked among the public and leading to stochastic terrorism
Not lone wolves acting on wacko beliefs only they hold and is totally alien to everyone else
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Sep 30 2025 05:28am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14BMN0aTYfg

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEAEkdipiyo

The democrats were riling up liberals into hatred and spurring violence right to the very top of the ticket
Tim Walz gave a speech saying:



He said this just a few months ago. How many ICE agents have been targeted by violent leftists since then? How many shot at, how many stalked or doxxed.
That wasn't some nutwing fringe pundit disavowed by the mainstream, like Nick Fuentes is to the right. That was the man democrats nominated as their vice presidential candidate. He said "Oh, the Governor’s being mean,’ well, maybe it’s time for us to be a little meaner, maybe it’s time for us to be a little more fierce"

That's the difference
Political violence that stems from political animus shared by an entire party, spread from its politicians, stoked among the public and leading to stochastic terrorism
Not lone wolves acting on wacko beliefs only they hold and is totally alien to everyone else



"At the request of Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to provide all necessary Troops to protect War ravaged Portland, and any of our ICE Facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists," Trump wrote. "I am also authorizing Full Force, if necessary. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Authorizing lethal force via tweet would be insane even if there was actually violent protests - since there aren't I sadly don't have the right word to describe it. Is this peaceful rhetoric to you?

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Sep 30 2025 05:37am
"At the request of Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to provide all necessary Troops to protect War ravaged Portland, and any of our ICE Facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists," Trump wrote. "I am also authorizing Full Force, if necessary. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Authorizing lethal force via tweet would be insane even if there was actually violent protests - since there aren't I sadly don't have the right word to describe it. Is this peaceful rhetoric to you?


I know you edited this post about 4 times before settling on a text version of an image you failed to link. About something that has fuck-all to do with the subject at hand, in a desperate attempt to change aforementioned subject.
The only kind of permissible flailing this hard is when you blow up a compelling orb
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Sep 30 2025 05:42am
I know you edited this post about 4 times before settling on a text version of an image you failed to link. About something that has fuck-all to do with the subject at hand, in a desperate attempt to change aforementioned subject.
The only kind of permissible flailing this hard is when you blow up a compelling orb


This may or may not have to do something with a 22 year old website without a mobile version, but who knows? I am certain if I wasted as much time of my life here as you do I could have done better.

All of the discussion is about violent rhetoric by the right and left, I am sure you are smart enough to figure out how Trumps violent rhetoric is extremely relevant to the topic at hand.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Sep 30 2025 05:42am
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Sep 30 2025 07:41am
A right wing loser killed a bunch of religious people in a church. He did it because he hated them.

Last time a "leftie" loser killed a right wing podcaster he hated your takeaway was not that losers full of hatred are the problem, but leftists are. You are not that stupid so why are you disingenious?

Thing is I can perfectly predict that it's a male loser every time since that is what the data says. You have to apply two different measures because leftwing violence fits your agenda and right wing violence does not, so you look like a hypocrite.


We all know that the shooting of Kirk was the result of hate building up to extreme levels due to cultural influence.


This may or may not have to do something with a 22 year old website without a mobile version, but who knows? I am certain if I wasted as much time of my life here as you do I could have done better.

All of the discussion is about violent rhetoric by the right and left, I am sure you are smart enough to figure out how Trumps violent rhetoric is extremely relevant to the topic at hand.



I'm not very aware of Trump's violent rhetoric. Care to share with me some quotes referencing it?

This post was edited by Ryvulet on Sep 30 2025 07:41am
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