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Sep 20 2025 01:03pm
For decades, the United States has prided itself on being the global leader in technology. In areas like semiconductors, artificial intelligence, and advanced computing, U.S. companies like Nvidia have dominated. Nvidia produces the most advanced AI chips in the world. These chips are not just about gaming or research, they are the engines of future economies, militaries, and societies.

For the last decade, the U.S. has created a narrative that China is the enemy, so they needed to pivot, contain, surround, and sanction China. One way they did this was to ban Nvidia from selling its best chips to China. Instead, Nvidia could only sell downgraded versions.

China looked at these chips and realized they were still pretty good. Beijing told Nvidia, “Yes please, we’ll take everything!” Sales surged, and the U.S. government went ape shit and quickly reacted, telling Nvidia it could no longer sell even the downgraded chips to China — a massive blow to Nvidia given the size of the Chinese market.

China mulled it over for the last 3 years, and today, Beijing has made its move: all Chinese companies are to stop buying Nvidia chips, forever. Instead, they will produce their own. The U.S. should be happy now — no more super-duper American chips in Chinese data centers. But the response? Washington is outraged. How dare China not buy from the US! confused yet?!?



Meanwhile, China’s new chips, like Huawei’s Ascend 950 series and Alibaba’s T-Head PPU, are not only rapidly closing the gap with Nvidia — they are set to outperform Nvidia. These domestically built chips match or surpass U.S. counterparts in key AI workloads, offer massive memory and computing power, and are more energy-efficient. Combined with China’s push for self-reliance, these developments mean the U.S. can no longer rely on restricting access to maintain dominance — the “forbidden chips” strategy may have just accelerated China’s rise.

Thanks, Biden and Trump — capitalism at its finest!



This post was edited by ferdia on Sep 20 2025 01:21pm
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China always winning when it comes to the long game. Nvidia is prolly big mad they now have another competitor
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Sep 20 2025 01:36pm
The rapid descent of the us to make way for China as the new hegemon was kind of a given when they reelected trump.
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Sorry. But im not going to trust Alibaba as a trusted high end chip manufacturer.

For trash easy to make chips by the billions for Chinese sweat shops, sure.
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Sep 20 2025 06:48pm
Sorry. But im not going to trust Alibaba as a trusted high end chip manufacturer.

For trash easy to make chips by the billions for Chinese sweat shops, sure.


I remembered some old timers saying that about Toyota and Honda during the 70s and 80s about them Jappy cars are trash and metal coffins on the road. :lol:
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Sep 20 2025 07:39pm
The rapid descent of the us to make way for China as the new hegemon was kind of a given when they reelected trump.


What would President Kamala be doing right about now?

For decades, the United States has prided itself on being the global leader in technology. In areas like semiconductors, artificial intelligence, and advanced computing, U.S. companies like Nvidia have dominated. Nvidia produces the most advanced AI chips in the world. These chips are not just about gaming or research, they are the engines of future economies, militaries, and societies.

For the last decade, the U.S. has created a narrative that China is the enemy, so they needed to pivot, contain, surround, and sanction China. One way they did this was to ban Nvidia from selling its best chips to China. Instead, Nvidia could only sell downgraded versions.

China looked at these chips and realized they were still pretty good. Beijing told Nvidia, “Yes please, we’ll take everything!” Sales surged, and the U.S. government went ape shit and quickly reacted, telling Nvidia it could no longer sell even the downgraded chips to China — a massive blow to Nvidia given the size of the Chinese market.

China mulled it over for the last 3 years, and today, Beijing has made its move: all Chinese companies are to stop buying Nvidia chips, forever. Instead, they will produce their own. The U.S. should be happy now — no more super-duper American chips in Chinese data centers. But the response? Washington is outraged. How dare China not buy from the US! confused yet?!?

https://i.imgur.com/V4vKqWm.png

Meanwhile, China’s new chips, like Huawei’s Ascend 950 series and Alibaba’s T-Head PPU, are not only rapidly closing the gap with Nvidia — they are set to outperform Nvidia. These domestically built chips match or surpass U.S. counterparts in key AI workloads, offer massive memory and computing power, and are more energy-efficient. Combined with China’s push for self-reliance, these developments mean the U.S. can no longer rely on restricting access to maintain dominance — the “forbidden chips” strategy may have just accelerated China’s rise.

Thanks, Biden and Trump — capitalism at its finest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBc_NYyjxXs


China's problems are more fundamental, GDP growth has declined, and they're hemorrhaging people. Export economies cannot outgrow their consumer markets long-term, there's finite global wealth.

Can China support innovation independent of American technology, and develop a consumer market to fuel that innovation in the future? I have no idea, but they're running out of time.
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Sep 20 2025 09:19pm
The US doesnt care about innovation anymore
Just tweak the current offering and stick the new price tag on it
Its why Intel is in trouble
And its why Nvidia wont be the top dog in the near future

Then they get the US to bully companies in other countries to keep them off their backs
Apple LOVES doing this.
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Sep 20 2025 10:41pm
I remembered some old timers saying that about Toyota and Honda during the 70s and 80s about them Jappy cars are trash and metal coffins on the road. :lol:


Thats an extremely far reach youre doing. These days we have all the information we need to not buy temu chips.
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Sep 21 2025 12:22am
Thats an extremely far reach youre doing. These days we have all the information we need to not buy temu chips.


That is the same shit people and well known "experts" say about the Japanese cars back when they claim that the Japanese are doing an unsafe and extremely low quality job compared to American made cars.
And they also claimed they have all the information they need not to buy "Temu" cars from Japan. :rofl:
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Sep 21 2025 12:33am
That is the same shit people and well known "experts" say about the Japanese cars back when they claim that the Japanese are doing an unsafe and extremely low quality job compared to American made cars.
And they also claimed they have all the information they need not to buy "Temu" cars from Japan. :rofl:


Hamster teleg

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