Yeah. Imagine that in war, there is an arms race. Cancel culture was a leftist prototype. Now the right is using the same weapon, but with better iteration.

I gotta say it again, I don't think any Jimmy Fallon, Howard Stern, Colbert, etc etc will ever reach the abysmal depths that Kimmel did with just one recurring sketch
Maybe I haven't seen the reach of their degeneracy, but I've seen some shit and none of it will ever compare to the reason Kimmel deserves to be bagging groceries at walmart;

I wonder was there this much obsession with presidents before Trump? It's hard to tell since social media didn't really go off until like 2012. I just look back at some videos of debates for example and everyone was more respectable towards each other.

I still think the media was the biggest divider of America and have been left unchecked for way too long.

you don't rememeber media insulting george bush 24/7?

Nah was gaming and being a kid during that time. I haven't heard anything politics related K-12 and even in college and university. Good times.

This post was edited by Dmitriy on Sep 18 2025 12:12am

I was pretty young but I vaguely remember even Bush Senior getting lampooned constantly. And you know Clinton got skewered, especially after his big oopsie in the White House.

The only president I remember getting kid gloves is Obama. And yes, we all know why.

This post was edited by Thebarba on Sep 18 2025 03:34am

Monica Zelenskyy?

Well they aren't equivalent points on the scale. Bush got lampooned, Obama got kid gloves, Biden got Weekend at Bernies, sure
But for Trump its been a seething white hot hatred and murderous animus. Liberals weren't openly praying for Dubya to be assassinated, they weren't trying to actually put him in prison or throw every imaginable smear and criminal accusation and conspiracy at him. The degree of hatred for Trump and everyone in his orbit all the way down to milquetoast republicans is orders of magnitude beyond what any neocon like W ever conjured up.

Say its a scale of -100 to 100 where 100 is worshipping someone as the messiah and kissing the ground he walks upon and -100 is an angry, mutinous mob trying to lynch him (huh jesus really ran the gamut)
Obama would be at ~90, and started to lean more ~60 by the end of his second term. Biden probably started around 30 and ended around -20. W actually popped around 70+ after 9/11 but ran to -30 or so by the end. Trump's around -90 on that scale, maybe -95 I mean they're on assassination attempt #3+ now

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 18 2025 04:19am

To be fair, trump should be treated differently. Previous presidents recognized they were president for all of America and within the context of the partisan political views tried to do things they thought would be a benefit to the country. Donald trump is the first president who has been pretty overt that he doesn’t give a damn about the opposition side (he doesn’t actually care about the people on his side either if we’re being honest as well). He’s sought to mine our political polarization and division for his own personal gain at every opportunity. His decision making process is to do whatever he thinks is good for Donald trump and nothing else matters. To your point on being respectful, I don’t deny that media is a huge driver of our divide, but Donald trumps rhetoric and actions has definitely been an accelerant for that division. Because he intends it to be divisive.

He is unique, and sadly not in a good way. He should see increased scrutiny and criticism because of how he operates as president. Donald trump isn’t the reason we’re divided, he’s a symptom of that but he’s also an accelerant to that issue. To pretend he’s just like any other president and should be treated as such isn’t being honest or realistic.

I mean this is the kind of opposition narrative that doesn't really stand up to critical analysis. Which kind of goes for much of what's been thrown at Trump from Russiagate to Stormy Daniels to Epstein and so on.
We can't explain Donald Trump's choices and actions from a frame of "what is good for Donald Trump". Most of them simply don't make sense in that regard, and even if we thought he was a risk taker by nature he's exposed himself to overwhelming threats and loss. Before 2016, Trump was a successful billionaire, with some power brokering and a family winning the genetic lottery. By getting every establishment knife at his throat, he's had his businesses ripped to shreds by nakedly political prosecutions, he's been in nonstop legal and mortal jeopardy and if he hadn't literally dodged bullets and won his election he'd be either dead or in prison. And now that's he's regained power, when his foes kneel before him he's demanding token submissions that almost always either provide no benefit to Trump or benefit our nation instead. A plane for the government and his library? Lawyers forced to work pro bono for his administration? His most acerbic critics taken off the airwaves? Look at mayor Adams, he made a deal to support Trump's immigration enforcement to save his own corrupt ass- a personal benefit for Adams, a public benefit for the Trump administration.


Trump is far more in line with historical presidents who have also been pugilistic and vilified and pushed the envelope of executive powers, but always represented a philosophy- whether we agree with their direction or not. That vilification of Trump has not been in line with history save maybe Lincoln- throwing a hundred accusations at wall and seeing what sticks, trying to disenfranchise or imprison or just murder him over and over again. Trump is centered amidst a blazing wildfire whether he's the accelerant or the left's hate boner is to blame or whatever degree between.