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Sep 11 2025 07:37pm
You can blame the British or the Ottomans, too, if you like. But at the end of the day. That's how the state was established. I mean the Ottomans and the British aren't exactly known for their strives in humanity.
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Sep 11 2025 07:52pm
Yup. Look up the organizations that existed before the IDF. They were all terrorist paramilitaries with the intention of driving out the non-Jewish Palestinians. They poisoned the water wells. Even the founding father of Israel and first president said they had to expel the Arabs if they were establish their state. (In some case this was Arab Jews as well, but mostly Arab Christians and Muslims.)

When I say they poisoned the water wells. I also mean that literally. They literally poisoned the Palestinian Arabs water supplies. It was one of their first acts of terrorist aggression.


I dont doubt that story but the last time I looked into this these people have grievances with each other that go back over hundreds of years before modern day Israel. I dont think flooding the region with jews and creating Israel in land inhabited primarily by arabs was a smart thing to do. The uns involvement was an attempt to stabilize the region and create peace and that was the last time this region had a chance for peace.
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Sep 11 2025 07:54pm
To be clear. The Arab nations around the world and their response was just as awful as the Zionists. But again, the Palestinian people there had nothing to do with any of that. They were completely innocent and had no part in it. It's just a sad world where some fat old British dudes get to decide your land now belongs to someone else.
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Sep 11 2025 10:59pm
I was trying to figure out why liberals support Palestine over Israel. It doesn't make much sense to support a violent tyrannical theocracy over a liberal democracy, but my best guess is that liberals agree with tyrannical Muslim theocracies that:

1. women should have to be second class citizens and obey men - returning women back to property status is like peak feminism!

2. Killing gays should be normalized - because while they make a handy political prop, why should liberals care if a few get murdered amiright?

3. Religious dictatorship is preferable to secular democracy - turns out liberals are ok with the priest being the dictator who runs the country - as long as that priest isn't of the Christian or Jewish faith.

4. Free speech is bad: liberals keep drifting towards being anti-free speech, so it probably feels good to just embrace a place where talking smack on the governing authorities can straight up get you killed.

5. Child exploitation: normalizing recruitment or the use of children for terrorism because look its just a standard deviation or two from abortion so why not.

6. Honor killings: because when "honor" justifies violence against women for perceived slights how could that be a bad thing? (imagine a women offends you on a train so you just stab her to death and then go about your business - the kind of thing liberals don't seem to mind at all)

7. Apostasy deserves the death penalty: Religious freedom is a liberal cornerstone, yet cheering for places where leaving Islam can get you killed is totally fine. Because nothing says "live and let live" like "convert or perish."

8. Corruption and kleptocracy are anti-capitalist: Liberals hate crony capitalism, but they adore wealthy leaders who siphon aid money into Swiss banks while their people suffer. It's redistribution—of wealth to the rich elite!

9. Suppressing women's education advances feminism: backing places where girls' schools are bombed or restricted is ironic genius. Who needs books when they have veils and obedience?

10. Terror tactics: killing innocent senior citizens, children, women and raping women are all acceptable - as long as they are expressions of your cause.

I'm sure I've missed some other values that are shared between liberals and Palestine/Muslim theocracy, so please feel free to add your own to the list!


israel is the violent tyrannial theocracy, even if they are mostly atheistic (read demonic) their behavior and beliefs are Talmudic and about ethnic superiority. They even think they are above God in creating law, read the The Oven of Akhnai

I am not liberal
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Sep 11 2025 11:19pm
Pretty sure a lot of people on this forum dont support Israel in general
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Sep 13 2025 03:46pm
They both are evil
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Sep 14 2025 12:32am
So that is why all the left-wing and Muslim activists around the world were up in arms when the Saudis bombed Yemen into the stone age?!
Or why they are making so much noise about the ongoing civil war in Sudan...
Or how they're all leading a "boycott divest sanction" movement against China over their genocide of the Uyghurs...


this 100% all these people with deep humantiarian concerns give 0% care or concern when It is Islamic actor on Islamic actor. But suddenly when Israel is involved its deeply concerning.

Maybe you haven't followed the news lately, there's plenty conservatives that support ending the genocide in Gaza as well. It's not a political fight, it's a humanitarian one.

Isn't this the same in the bible?
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have
committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." People who follow scripture letter by letter these days are called fanatics. Vast majority of muslims are not even remotely fanatical.

Not a muslim value. Sunan Abi Dawud the prophet said" "those who do not show mercy to our young ones and do not realise the right of our elders are not from us"

Yes once a muslim you cannot leave the faith. It's the final religion and in muslim countries it does carry a punishment. In UAE though they removed the death penalty in 2020 and there's been no known prosecutions of the crime.


I mean sure there are conservative morons out there. And the right wing Jew hate has always been a thing since forever.

The denial of reality . . . I don't even know where to start. Christians aren't genociding the gays in America.

There are what 5 million open gays in the United States. The amount of open gays in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Gaza basically rounds to zero. Mysterious how that works isn't it? How many gay establishments and clubs do they have in Gaza again? I mean seriously bud some complete delusion on this.

Also uh Theo Van Gogh would like to have a word with you about that Mercy.

On November 2, 2004, Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was murdered on an Amsterdam street by an Islamist, pursuant to a fatwa put out on him. Van Gogh was known for his provocative statements about religion and had co-written a film, Submission, that criticized the treatment of women in Islam. His last recorded words were reportedly, "Don't do it, don't do it. Can't we just talk about it?". Then he got stabbed to death. His assailent left a note stabbed into him citing his sins. Theo Van Gogh had produced other works like a crucifix in Urine, but Christians made no attempt to harm him. But then he dared to critcise Muslims and well he is dead now. And then there was CHarlie Hebdo and on and on.

Why would a true blooded American support either? Israel is a fanatic ethnocentric state actively cleansing their neighbor. It's wholy backwards to core American principles. My unpopular opinion is give both sides nothing


If your attitude is that you hate America and Americans, then sure. But if you believe in putting America first and looking after American interests then do a little hostage math . . . Number of American (Not Jew not Arab, not Muslim . . . Yes, American) hostages taken in Gaza 12 originally with likely 2 still being held. Number of American hostages taken captive by Israel? Zero. So if all you care about is Americans - which is understandable if your an American. I don't know maybe give a flying fiznukkin about the Americans? Maybe have a strong muscular foreign policy of do whatever you want to each other. Go ahead and murder each other but under absolutely no circumstances do you take American hostages or you will regret it. or America could have a policy of do whatever you want to Americans because America is weak and will shrug it off like its the Dutch or the French or whatever. That is also an option.

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Sep 14 2025 01:06am
I don't support either of them, its two barbaric groups of animals killing each other, both have committed horrific acts.
In the end israel has to leave the middle east for any lasting peace so i guess that makes me team palestine.
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Sep 14 2025 01:13am
Has Israel always been the aggressor tho?

Iirc jews immigrated to the area in addition to ones that have stuck around for a while.
There was tension between the jews and Muslims.
ottomans lost the land to the British after ww2
British passed the buck to the un who carved out a state for Israel and Palestine.
Israel declared independence.
Palestine could've declared independence and that'd have been your two state solution.
Instead the arabs in the region didn't like the idea of a Jewish state in the region they conquered over a thousand years ago and declared war to wipe out Israel.
Here we are 70+ years later


The Romans conqured Judea and forcefully extracted the Jews. Use google, don't take my word for it. Look it up yourself. Around 70 A.D. Titus crushed Jerusalem and the Romans killed/enslaved millions of Jews. To punish the Jews the Romans eventually renamed the region to Syria/Palestine as a slap in the face to the Jews. A couple thousands years later the Jews are back in their homeland. It would be like if the Sue Nation somehow managed to get control over the modern State of South Dakota. I'm sure most normal Americans would be pretty upset about it, but the idea that it would be some kind of foreign immigrant take over is only viable without any historical context whatsoever. What are there like 50 Muslim majority countries in the world and that is all fine and good, but one Jewish nation is a big problem? Like holy cow. We aren't even trying to be subtle about it are we.

israel is the violent tyrannial theocracy, even if they are mostly atheistic (read demonic) their behavior and beliefs are Talmudic and about ethnic superiority. They even think they are above God in creating law, read the The Oven of Akhnai

I am not liberal


So Israel is a theocracy and they are athiests? I'm sorry. I don't think you understand what these words mean. It is called grass. Go touch it. It will help.



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The Romans conqured Judea and forcefully extracted the Jews. Use google, don't take my word for it. Look it up yourself. Around 70 A.D. Titus crushed Jerusalem and the Romans killed/enslaved millions of Jews. To punish the Jews the Romans eventually renamed the region to Syria/Palestine as a slap in the face to the Jews. A couple thousands years later the Jews are back in their homeland. It would be like if the Sue Nation somehow managed to get control over the modern State of South Dakota. I'm sure most normal Americans would be pretty upset about it, but the idea that it would be some kind of foreign immigrant take over is only viable without any historical context whatsoever. What are there like 50 Muslim majority countries in the world and that is all fine and good, but one Jewish nation is a big problem? Like holy cow. We aren't even trying to be subtle about it are we.



So Israel is a theocracy and they are athiests? I'm sorry. I don't think you understand what these words mean. It is called grass. Go touch it. It will help.


You don't understand, they view themselves as above God as I referenced in their talmud. Most of Israel is atheistic now while ethnically Jewish, but that ethnicity is priority. They are a theocracy, but they have rejected God and substituted their rabbis.

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