Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 13 2025 01:34am)

I keep a running thread documenting it where I specifically weed out crimes that didn't have a political motive and explain that. In fact I've given that same speech so many times on PARD its like you're walking up to Charlie Kirk's tent asking him why he supports banning gay marriage.
Go ahead, look at the list I keep updating, find a single on you believe had no political motive;

• Tesla firebombing attack in Las Vegas
  
• Tesla arson attack by transgender in Kansas City
  
• Tesla shooting attack in Oregon
  
• Tesla firebombing failed attack in Austin
  
• Tesla firebombing attack by transgender in New Mexico
  
• Tesla elderly driver run off road and assaulted in Arizona
  
• Tesla serial vandalism by public employee in MN, set free by Mary Moriarty
  
• Tesla firebombing attack in Mesa
  
• Ziz transgender cult murder of a border patrol officer
  
• Ziz cult attempted mass shooting
  
• Ziz cult murder of witness and family members
  
• Attempted assassination of Trump #1
  
• Attempted assassination of Trump #2
  
• Attempted assassination of Hegseth / any republican
  
• Islamist truck ramming attack in New Orleans
  
• Shooting of a Jewish guy in Chicago by an Islamist
  
• Assassination of UnitedHealth CEO by far-left attacker
  
• Felony assault by transgender attacker against TPUSA tabler
  
• Firebombing attack on GOP headquarters in Albuquerque
  
• Suicide bombing attack on IVF clinic by far-left anti-natalist redditor
  
• Assassination of two israeli diplomats by far-left socialist/communist
  
• Flamethrower and firebombing attacking on israeli march in boulder, 1 killed 16 injured
  
• Muslim arrested in attempt attempted mass shooting of jewish kids in dearborn
  
• Low level riots in Minneapolis by mob obstructing federal agents
  
• Larger riots, looting and arson by mob attacking federal agents in LA
  
• Serial arson that destroy vehicles and shut down Waymo in LA
  
• Murder of a bystander by two Antifa/Militia gunmen at No Kings rally in Salt Lake City
  
• Mass stabbing attack on police by anti-cop black militant at the Manhattan courthouse in NYC
  
• Attempted IED bombing and road spiking by transgender Antifa at No Kings rally in Portland
  
• Firebombing attack by Antifa/Pro-Hamas militant that destroyed 11 NYPD vehicles
  
• Two more attempted firebombings in Williamsburg and Columbia University by same guy
  
• Attempted pipebomb attack on police by Texas militant driving to LA, thwarted
  
• Sword and Knife attack by transgender antifa against ICE during riot in Portland on Jun 24
  
• Antifa ambush shooting at ICE in Alvarado. One officer shot, 12 terrorists charged, including 3 trans, +2 more conspirators assisting, one gunman caught after manhunt.
  
• Ambush shooting against Border Patrol in McAllen. Three officers shot, terrorist killed.
  
• Attempting shooting of ICE officers in Camarillo by gunman among protesters.
  
• Attempted firebombing attack on GOP headquarters in Dickinson Michigan, transgender attacker arrested.
  
• Arson attack on drone manufacturing plant in Hood River by Antifa, at least, claimed/attempted
  
• Attempted murder of a veteran by a militant leftist in King County WA, who had previously committed a car ramming attack on republicans in 2020
  
• Stalking charges against a militant leftist who made multiple death threats against the widow of the assassinated UnitedHealth CEO
  
• White powder terrorism mail to ICE facilities in NYC (boric acid claiming to be anthrax)
  
• Mass shooting attacking at a christian school by a militant transgender gunman in Minneapolis, 2 children killed 18 injured and gunman dead
  
• Murder of a bystander by a militant transgender activist who was spraying graffiti in Boston
  
• Woman in lexus arrested trying to disrupt ICE arrest and drive into officers in Maine
  
• Charlie Kirk assassinated by an Antifa sniper in Utah.

If its helpful, the ones with the most nebulous motives were the Zizians killing family members and landlords, but they certainly articulated political motives for it, they were just wackadoodle reasons.

Quote (blahaj @ Sep 13 2025 01:34am)

i keep forgetting you used a flaws lens of religion in the way you see things
it is UNREASONABLE to claim this is political WITH THE CURRENT EVIDENCE contradicting itself(weird things he put on the ammo casing, contradicting information from family claiming he was of similar political viewpoint to him((which btw we can easily doubt the validity of these claims)))
charlie kirk was a hate spreading "borderline" fascist who openly supported policy change that can be considered literal fascism, did he deserve to die for it? probably not. but to claim he didn't have a significant hand in his own undoing is just so silly

Quote (majorblood @ Sep 13 2025 01:29am)

propaganda works, if you constantly call someone a nazi, fascist, etc people will be more inclined to believe it and if you continuously tell it to the wrong person they will think they are justified in murder.

it's not just the bullet casings though, his parents said he had become more political in recent years and lashed out at kirk at family dinners. I don't think it's reasonable to call this "apolitical"

you cannot come to undeniable proof as it would require mind-reading abilities, but the current evidence would not support the conclusion he is a "groyper" or anything like others in this thread are saying, it would align best with that he thought charlie kirk was a hate-spreading fascist and deserved to die which is exactly what many left-wing outlets have spread over the years about republicans.

the real issue of hate isn't the access to weapons, it's what comes from a man's heart. hate encroached at his door, and he let it have its way with him - you have to rule over it.

Quote (blahaj @ Sep 12 2025 11:34pm)

i keep forgetting you used a flaws lens of religion in the way you see things

it is UNREASONABLE to claim this is political WITH THE CURRENT EVIDENCE contradicting itself(weird things he put on the ammo casing, contradicting information from family claiming he was of similar political viewpoint to him((which btw we can easily doubt the validity of these claims)))

charlie kirk was a hate spreading "borderline" fascist who openly supported policy change that can be considered literal fascism, did he deserve to die for it? probably not. but to claim he didn't have a significant hand in his own undoing is just so silly

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 13 2025 01:38am)

No need to be weaselly, give your specific examples. If you think Charlie Kirk's politics were cryptofacist, he's a public enough figure you can point to exactly what he's said.
What policies in specific do you think distinguished Charlie Kirk from the mainstream views of half of Americans alive today, who would probably not be very amused with you calling them a fascist and implicating half the country is 'having a significant hand in getting themselves shot'

Quote (Pyrotechx @ Sep 12 2025 11:39pm)

Trump himself has called democrats fascist. Hell, he just blamed the shooting, without evidence, on "the radical left". Turns out it is just some radical far right dude, and Trump didn't once apologize for his rhetoric.

Quote (Pyrotechx @ Sep 13 2025 01:39am)

Trump himself has called democrats fascist. Hell, he just blamed the shooting, without evidence, on "the radical left". Turns out it is just some radical far right dude, and Trump didn't once apologize for his rhetoric.

Quote (blahaj @ Sep 13 2025 01:36am)

you are literally like tistuff at this point, spreading so many inconsistencies and lies that people are beginning to not even read your posts. i rarely do at this point because it's so low effort your obvious ragebaiting

Quote (majorblood @ Sep 13 2025 01:40am)

i'll grant your whataboutism is true and also call it irrelevant

Quote (sirthom @ Sep 13 2025 01:42am)

How bout 10k fg bet on if shooter turns out to be left or right wing.
I am even willing to give fg to mod to hold for the bet.
This is easy fg for you since you know he is maga, right?

Quote (Pyrotechx @ Sep 12 2025 11:45pm)

It's irrelevant when the literal President of the United States calls an entire party "fascist" or the "enemy within (which is ironic coming from him)?

Or his lovely speech after kirk? That sure was uniting!

You have got to be joking.