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Sep 11 2025 10:31pm
Quote (GuyLadouche @ Sep 12 2025 12:27am)
what do you draw from this source? do you think he was lack of empathy, that he did not believe in it (his actual words) , therefore he had none?


just curious.


He said on multiple occasions that empathy was a bad thing. I can't possibly know if he believed what he said. All I know is what he said. He said a lot of awful things. I judge his words by that alone, I cannot know otherwise.

If you feel empathy for him, I understand. I'm just explaining why I don't.
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#752
Sep 11 2025 10:35pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 11 2025 08:51pm)
Internet tough guy finds violence objectionable


Can you move to a nice beach house and stand next to it long enough to lower its property value so I can buy it cheap?
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Sep 11 2025 10:36pm
Quote (Thebarba @ Sep 12 2025 12:35am)
Can you move to a nice beach house and stand next to it long enough to lower its property value so I can buy it cheap?


Violence? That's 'objectionable' (lmao still laughing at that choice of word btw) But racism? Yeah that's fine.
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#754
Sep 11 2025 10:44pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 11 2025 08:28pm)
Eh....Democrats have a sense of shame and will crucify their own. Republicans have none. If trump dropped the n word live on television he'd probably see a boost in his ratings among right leaning voters.

Young Democrats celebrate the man who murdered a father of two like three weeks before Christmas. Right now, they're celebrating the vicious murder of a father of two. I have never seen a Democrat forced to take accountability for any expression of extremism.

The problem is the polarization has become too extravagant. The Left and the Right, especially among younger Americans, have disagreements down to the fundamentals of political and moral philosophy. The differences are irreconcilable. One will be forced to accept the will of the other, there's no compromise to be found.

To address your hypothetical of Trump saying "nigger" on live television, I disagree, he'd probably have a drop in ratings among some. But not all. Because the animosity and polarization and white male bashing have hardened the hearts of young men when they are confronted with the troubles experienced by African Americans. The increase in racism among young men, casual and serious, is the consequence of race pandering.

In any case, this thread is about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Quote (respeconize8 @ Sep 11 2025 08:55am)
Here are some things that Charlie Kirk said in his life;

- Gay people should be stoned to death
- Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
- Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
- No one should be allowed to retire
- Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
- British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
- The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
- Religious freedom should be terminated
- Multiple black politicians "stole white people’s spots"
- MLK Jr was "an awful person"
- The Great Replacement Theory is reality
- Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
- Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
- Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
- Women’s natural place is under their husband’s control
- Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
- George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn’t
- The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
- Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates
- Mamdani winning in NY was a travesty because Muslims did 9/11
- Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
- Palestine "doesn’t exist" and those who support it are like the KKK

None of these positions are extreme. These align with normal right wing opinions at the turn of the century. These opinions were near universal in 1945, held among those who went overseas to defeat fascism (they also supported a segregated military and society). The standard morals and values of a society shift with time. The audacity from the Left is that they consider their current opinions to be the zenith of all moral, spiritual, and political philosophy. These "truths" that you've had drilled into your mind all your life, the glory of egalitarianism, the feats of secular society, they're all just the latest fad. With that said, they all seem to be worded in the least charitable way (if you're approaching them from the moral standards of a 2025 American leftist). You're simply employing the strawman against a corpse to justify one's glee in the vicious murder of a young man. You can admit you want your political opponents killed, such a stance wouldn't be without historic precedent. But it does clash with the modern Leftist construction of secular morality, hence the need for the strawman.

But I've spent enough time talking about how other's feel about Kirk's murder. I think it is abhorrent. I've always considered Kirk a moderate, someone who was comfortable cozying up with the political establishment, so he couldn't claim the far right views I hold for the sake of political expediency. I spent years thinking he was an intellectual lightweight, a political actor who would have went along with the rest of the Republicans in their move to the left in the aftermath of the 2012 election and the infamous "autopsy." Republican politics was essentially dead in the water until Trump stormed on scene in 2015. Luckily, Kirk was in ideological alignment with Trump's message. That, or he was willing to adopt and advance Trump's new brand of Republican politics and American conservatism. Kirk was a kid during the Obama presidency, when it really seemed like it would be permanent Democrat rule. People might say that exaggerates it, but it was something Democrats openly acknowledged. The idea was with the growing minority population, the Republican position would be untenable due to a slavish loyalty among Latinos to vote Democrat. The whole "demographics is destiny" thing. In the end, the theory fizzled out as Republicans managed to gain more ground among Hispanics in the aftermath of the Trump Revolution. Since Kirk was involved and passionate about politics since before 2011, it's obvious his ideology was not set in stone and he was open to the influence of political pressure, both from the Left and Right.

Kirk was seemingly slavish to Israel and one hundred percent a Republican stooge. That's how I saw him. I thought his college debates were nothing more than low brow engagement bait. I still remember rolling my eyes at the old TPUSA "Socialism Sucks" marketing campaign. But I was wrong about Charlie. He was a very smart man and an expert at playing the political game. What I thought was a joke managed to become a household name in politics. And not only for the media they produced, but the political action they engaged in. Voter registration, canvassing, outreach, staffing campaigns. The goofy kid with big gums managed to assemble a dominant political machine, through his engagement and his political flexibility. He was open to changing his opinion. Was it seven years ago, the Groyper War? Kirk was getting major flack from elements of the right who were more heavily focused on race, religion, and America First foreign policy. Kirk was obviously afraid to discuss anything that might involve race politics more aligned with Jared Taylor or foreign policy more aligned with Pat Buchanan.

Let's fast forward to the beginning of this week. In light of all the history I just babbled about, Charlie Kirk went through a considerable transformation. Kirk was talking about race. He was talking about Israel. He was talking about how multination corporations were ruining the prospects of young Americans. Kirk, as a major political player and as a part of the Trump movement, was in a position to shape the aspects of "conventional conservatism". Charlie was in a position to redefine the Republican platform, and slavish commitments to "free market economics" or our "obligations as the world's superpower" were thrown out the window. He put in the work as a moderate to push the messaging to the right. From what I could tell, he seemed to inject aspects of his Catholic faith into political considerations. He was evolving politically and no one can say where he would have ended up. This is probably why right wing politics are more popular with young men these days, the Republican party and American Conservatism are being redefined.

I am not a Charlie Kirk fan. Or rather, I wasn't. I'm still not fond of his format. But seeing how his moderation and youth engagement led to his political organization growing to such influence, I can admit I was wrong and Charlie Kirk was right. For a lot of people in political spaces, politics is just an ideological game. So much so that pundits become slaves to their ideology. Charlie Kirk had the grand strategy in mind. Others talked theory, he put boots on the ground. Such a valuable trait, to not only have the policy knowledge to defend and debate, but the practical knowledge of aiding political campaigns across the nation. That's why he was such a big deal. That's why this loss is so heavy, just in terms of American politics. On a human level, it's a real rotten way to die. Gunned down by a coward's bullet, no chance to even attempt to protect himself. Murdered in front of hundreds of fans and detractors. Some say a quick death is preferable, but I'd take slow and painful if it meant my loved ones could be with me when I died. Just sad.
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Sep 11 2025 10:46pm
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Young Democrats celebrate the man who murdered a father of two like three weeks before Christmas. Right now, they're celebrating the vicious murder of a father of two. I have never seen a Democrat forced to take accountability for any expression of extremism.

The problem is the polarization has become too extravagant. The Left and the Right, especially among younger Americans, have disagreements down to the fundamentals of political and moral philosophy. The differences are irreconcilable. One will be forced to accept the will of the other, there's no compromise to be found.

To address your hypothetical of Trump saying "nigger" on live television, I disagree, he'd probably have a drop in ratings among some. But not all. Because the animosity and polarization and white male bashing have hardened the hearts of young men when they are confronted with the troubles experienced by African Americans. The increase in racism among young men, casual and serious, is the consequence of race pandering.

In any case, this thread is about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.


None of these positions are extreme. .


Believing gay people should be stoned to death isn't extreme? Uh what?

Am I in crazy town?

This post was edited by uskittles on Sep 11 2025 10:46pm
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#756
Sep 11 2025 10:48pm
Quote (uskittles @ Sep 11 2025 08:31pm)
He said on multiple occasions that empathy was a bad thing. I can't possibly know if he believed what he said. All I know is what he said. He said a lot of awful things. I judge his words by that alone, I cannot know otherwise.

If you feel empathy for him, I understand. I'm just explaining why I don't.



ok post the other occasions then.

Because what you posted taken at face value (reading a headline or 15 seconds of the article) is toxic fake news.

They posted a link to the full video of what he said, listen to it. they posted the text of some of it, but you should probably listen. (36:40 timestamp)


What i gathered. he was speaking about politics and how the word is politicized and used by politicians. and he preferred the term sympathy to empathy. (kind of interchangeable in my mind...) maybe you gather different. He literally says its a topic for another time and does not go too deep into it, empathy vs sypathy.

It was just his opinion or take. Agree with it or dont or have no indifference about that take. Thats your call.




But Charlie would have welcomed you to discuss it openly with him in a public forum, which was cool. Some coward shot him while he was doing that.



Learn to decypher fake news, think more critically, and make opinion for your self. Or dont.

But what you posted and parroted is fake news, out of context. Does nothing to support your arguements or make you look credible or sain. In any way, shape or form.



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#757
Sep 11 2025 10:50pm
Quote (uskittles @ 11 Sep 2025 14:48)
Virtue signaling liberalism.


let's see where this leads.


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#758
Sep 11 2025 10:53pm
Sorry bro I don't wanna do all the lifting for you. You can find plenty of clips of him saying it in other debates and so on if you like. I don't have sources at my fingertips.

He also said multiple times that he thinks we should have public executions. Call it fake news. Call it out of context. I don't give a shit. I won't be convinced that he wasn't anything but a reprehensible person. I do not think he deserved to die, though. I just simply do not care.
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Sep 11 2025 10:55pm
Quote (FoolsChance @ Sep 12 2025 12:50am)
let's see where this leads.


https://i.imgur.com/WUKwXrN.jpeg


wait I thought we were going with the transgender thing? This looks like a traditional cis white male.

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#760
Sep 11 2025 10:56pm
Quote (uskittles @ 12 Sep 2025 00:55)
wait I thought we were going with the transgender thing? This looks like a traditional cis white male.


perhaps you should educate yourself on the debate topics that were discussed between these two.


remember, you're a genius apparently.

and I love talking with self proclaimed intellectuals.


hi.
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