Quote (WhiteSouned @ 10 Sep 2025 16:16)

This is exactly what it is. That’s the whole point.
I wrote before that I’ll address what you wrote about your vision of radical free peace in the region -
A. You blame the current Israel GOV. I didn’t vote for them and dislike them as well but they are not the core problem. The conflict is here for over 70 years..
B. Core problem was and always will be the Palestinian refusal to acknowledge defeat and to acknowledge the Jewish state. We know that because they are very persistent with their demands , in short -
- a Palestinian state
- right of return to the refugees

I hope that it’s well establish that this “right of return” BS means the end of Israel as it is, right ?

Because of the above, the conflict will never end. That’s my claim and that’s what I’m trying to pass through 15XX pages here.
Of course we are not justifying killing of children.. no one wants to see dead children.
We Israelis, unlike the western world apparently, we acknowledge that the current collective which leads the Palestinians IS the problem and hence needs to be gone. Either by force or by some sort of internal ideology change inside Palestinian society.
Until then the plan will be to survive here and fight when needed, given the above I don’t see any action Israel can do to achieve peace.

Regarding the settlements in the West Bank - myself, and I think many_names also (not sure though) not supporting this actions.
Is Israel wrong here ? IMO yes.
Does it changes the outcome for peace ? Absolutely not.
Does the West Bank and Gaza can be like a state and have a complete freedom ? Absolutely not. If we do that we’ll have Iran on our fences. Oct 7 will look like a joke.

Hope that summarise my POV.

Quote (ferdia @ 11 Sep 2025 17:59)

Im confused. I thought Hamas was in Gaza. Why am I reading the West Bank is being terrorized because of Oct 7th ? seems kinda odd, noting the West Bank has been terrorized long before Oct 7th.

Quote (Many_Names @ 12 Sep 2025 08:44)

There are Hamas in west bank too
Dont be confused

Quote (DocPhil @ Sep 12 2025 07:56am)

Well the way israel is behaving ofc there will be more conflicts in the near future. Israel now steals more land and has offically accepted 3500 new settlments which will effectively be spliiting west bank in two. That can only be seen as a move to take over the rest eventually.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ 12 Sep 2025 10:04)

Israel is way better off right now than we were post oct7 , I mean the security threats of course.
Not only that, the entire Arab region is better off.
they’ll condemn Israel for almost every action, of course. If Jordan’s Abdullah or Egypt’s Abdel El-Sisii condemns Israel 3 times a day, I would recommend them to do it 5 or 6.
Moreover, Israel’s status is better than ever before in the ME.

Quote (DocPhil @ 12 Sep 2025 09:43)

So your argument is that Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants as long as it's own security is in a better place than before?

Quote (Many_Names @ 12 Sep 2025 11:23)

Israel wont need to do anything if our enemies wont try to kill us.


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