Video also shows the guy say "I got that white girl".

whats funny is we're using death penalty scarcity standards from a bygone era of prosecution based on eyewitness testimony. "what if they're innocent!" sure, well i have 4 angles in 1080p from people standing 20 feet away that say them do it, and CCTV footage tracking them to their apartment. i think we got the right guy.

we need a new law where video evidence makes appeals impossible and expediated death penalty. "but its more expensive because of, ummm, *checks notes* appeals!". yup, no appeals. just dead. stop clogging the courts for idiotic people or feeding them. u kill someone on video u get killed.

I don't understand how it's cheaper to keep someone alive in prison for life than take them out and bury them. Seems like bs.

There's now another clip showing the moments in the same train car after the stabbing
The victim clutching her neck as she dies, and the four people seated nearby.... do absolutely nothing. Eventually someone else comes by and tries to help her as she's bleeding out, but the bystanders all just watched her die
Even for a full minute after she collapsed in her seat and blood was pooling up around her, the other passengers stayed seated and did nothing

Four black passengers, one black murderer and one white victim.

If this girl is Ukraine, then the crowd around her is a Coalition of the Willing.

Accepting that there are levels of "caught on video", there is some point at which the success of a shaggy defense reaches zero. Lethal injection is too expensive, death by hanging after a speedy trial.

How often are appeals, particularly in capital cases, ever actually about the question of guilt or evidence? I'd gander its a handful, a real rarity.
Its always about excuses of mental competency, procedural delays, methods and sourcing of execution, legal counsel, bias in sentencing, etc etc

Take the last few cases I can google up. Woman in Idaho sentenced to death for pouring gasoline around her estranged husband's apartment and sabotaging his fire alarm, burning him and their two children to death, for three counts of murder by arson.
In 1992. A full 33 years ago, bravo justice system.
This week the Idaho supreme court denied an appeal asking for a chance to be resentenced to life, saying she had inadequate legal counsel because her lawyers in the original trial didn't offer evidence of brain scans taken before her trial which nebulously revealed "cognitive impairment"

Utah man sentenced to death in 1988 for kidnapping and slitting the throat of a 26 year old woman working at a gas station, tying her to a tree and torturing and murdering her just for a thrill kill.
In the 37 years since, he appealed to Utah supreme court in 1992 and was denied, claiming "transcription errors by reporter covering his trial"
In 1994 again appealed and upheld at same court
In 1995 granted a stay of execution a month before it was supposed to be carried out
A magical gap old enough to grow a child laborer to work in a malaysian factory
In 2003 scheduled to be executed, appealed and rejected 2004, requested retroactive DNA testing and rejected 2004
2012 appealed on grounds of ineffective counsel, again rejected, escalated to supreme court and rejected again 2014
In 2019 same appeal through more procedural grounds, on a habeus petition, again rejected
2023 US supreme court on same grounds same appeal rejected it
2023 a few months later a lawsuit filed against the death penalty in general in Utah, again dismissed


Same shit across every capital case. We know who the murderer is, guilty as sin, but it takes someone like Bill Barr coming in and saying "Hang every child murderer right fucking now" to make anything happen

Archaic and wasteful.


I wonder at what point is there enough will for some sort of reform, particularly paired with the fact that our overall system has become so bloated and some level of austerity is needed from economics perspective. In the next few years as cuts are floated to social safety nets or retirement age is raised to 70, why does the taxpayer have to subsidize the multi year/multi million dollar circus of appeals for some scumbag?



I agree with Snipa, if there's some real clear cut proof of guilt i.e. undeniable video evidence, multiple eye witnesses, whatever, the hammer of justice needs to come down in 12 months not 30 years. Obviously most of us probably don't want the needle to swing completely in the other direction ala 3rd world public hangings or beheadings but there has to be some common sense here.

I keep getting banned on social media and forums every time I advocate for an economic alternative to existing death penalty methods