Fact of the matter if the Covid vaccine worked like it was sold, you would not have all the doubters. But it didn't, it didn't even prevent getting the virus again literally not even a year after getting the shot. To force a population under threat of job loss or not being to go outside or whatever else was draconian overreach. When you overreach on that level and then force people to take something that barely works, then there will be loss of trust. Natural consequences really.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 5 2025 01:18pm

What makes you think it didn't work?

"As it was sold" is a fair criticism if you were convinced that it would 100% stop any signs of COVID whatsoever for the rest of your life. It is true that many Americans were told that it would mean zero COVID forever, but the reality is that it mostly prevents deadly COVID complications and doesn't stop you from catching mild COVID except for a few months after a vaccine.

There is undeniable evidence that it reduced likelihood of death or serious injury for most people. I have anecdotal evidence too, I caught COVID twice and recovered within days, while my brother who is a similar age went to the ER and felt like he was going to die (unvaccinated). It is still prescribed (not "recommended") for elderly people and at risk individuals

I agree that many Americans, mostly leftists, vilified people for not taking COVID vaccines. This was especially bad when the vaccines first came out and there was not yet a mountain of evidence that they are safe for most people. I remember huge threads in social media where people were celebrating unvaccinated people dying to COVID, saying Darwin is winning and etc. That behavior was awful

Sadly though, COVID and other diseases with vaccines don't care about your human emotions or insecurities. They will still kill you or hurt you even if you were mistreated by leftists in the past.

COVID vaccines should not be mandatory, but we also shouldn't be lying to people about the benefits they are now proven to have.

Covid has proven to be highly mutable. The COVID shot isn’t a vaccine that offers the same protection (both in terms of efficiency and in terms of duration) as the MMR vaccine or others. It’s most similar to the flu shot in that we hope it provides some temporary/seasonal protection. When Covid hit, the circumstances and information surrounding it were evolving… it was something literally happening in real time and we were getting new information daily.

I’m not gonna pretend the messaging around the Covid shot was prefect (it undeniably wasn’t) but the goal was to try and limit the spread of something highly contagious that was new and causing serious pressure on our medical facilities, and also causing significant sickness among quite a few in our communities.

Ultimately though the covid shot is substantially different than most of our other true vaccines (like MMR and others). I think it’s been one part a failure in messaging and one part cynicism among some in our society trying to push misinformation and confusion amongst our population as to what each thing is doing and how effective those are.

I mean you could look back on the messaging from Biden and the militant leftists that shamed others for not getting it and then put in draconian mandates to force people to get it. If you have evidence from that time that the Covid shot would be like the flu shot and it was framed like that instead of what most of us think of what a vaccine actually is feel free to share.

I don't get medical information from politicians. When the COVID vaccines came out I asked my doctor and they explained perfectly clearly that it will not stop me from getting COVID symptoms, but I should still take it because COVID will be less severe when I get it

The politicians drove the mandates not the doctors.

Overwhelming majority of people when you say the word vaccine think of things like the polio vaccine or the small pox vaccine. Highly effective, literally life altering for societies. Covid-19 vaccine was never framed as similar to a flu shot and you're bullshitting here.

The messaging and the actions were clear: get this or you are killing other people, get this our you will be fired, which is more consistent with how you would treat something i formally mentioned not the flu shot. If everyone had an understanding of what it's going to be they'd treat it like the flu shot and the coercive unethical mandates all of the sudden make no sense.

You're missing the point

Nobody should ever be listening to politicians without fact checking, especially for personal medical issues. If you listen to any politician, left or right, and don't consult your doctor, you're the person making a mistake

"Messaging" was done because politicians assume Americans are stupid and won't talk to a doctor, so they say the dumbest lowest-common-demoninator statements with the intention of doing "more good than bad". That strategy has proven to be a failure and Biden deserves shame for attempting it. Trump is no better and deserves a lot of shame for using people's anger about COVID to gain political support, instead of doing the thing that improves the health of Americans. Trump has decided it's more important to win than to do the best thing for the health of Americans

Bro it's not about listening or not listening it was a government mandate. When Biden forces the mandate on federal workers or 'encourages' businesses with more than 100+ to mandate vaccines it's not just talk. The message was clear. Get the vaccine and you can return to normal life, you get to leave the lockdowns behind, you can see your family, you can travel. Alternative you get the stick, which is loss of job, get called a murder and everything else in between.

I have no problems with vaccines, shit a month ago i got an optional vaccines refresh. What's clearly wrong is the government overreach and coercion in the case of the Covid. You want to blame someone for the counter movement? Blame the people that overreached to cause this reaction.

You don't understand what you're talking about. The government mandates all kinds of things for federal employees, the COVID vaccine is not the first mandated vaccine. They don't even need to be safe, the government can mandate federal employees to do all kinds of things. The military is even more strict and has been forever.

You're still talking about "messaging" and I'm telling you there is no such thing as "messaging" from politicians that any American should blindly listen to. Anyone who hears a government statement about health and doesn't talk to their doctor before acting on themselves is making a mistake, the end. Civilians were not mandated to take the COVID vaccines, I know this is true because half my family never took a single COVID vaccine.

The government lied before and now it is lying in the opposite direction by telling people that vaccines are less safe than they actually are.

This post was edited by dannywanghere on Sep 5 2025 03:34pm