More on point. People have choosen to see their purchasing power, quality of life, and all else detoriate around them the past 45 years. And what did gun ownership do which is my point. Nothing. If offered zero freedoms from corporate greed, government control and the lobbying behind it all.

There's zero need for arms for state and corp rule over. People watch the people they voted for generate incredible wealth (congressmen) while on a gov't salary full well knowing they're bought out and purchased by the same companies ruining lives.

Guns do nothing for freedom, not here, not anymore. That's the point. Americans like anyone else will take it lying down and have been. Evidence is right there.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 5 2025 08:08am

Gun ownership provides individuals with the means to resist coercion, whether from criminals or, in extreme cases, the state. Dismissing this as irrelevant ignores how gun rights align with individual autonomy, a cornerstone of a free state. The “slow erosion” you describe and I agree with itself is a reason why armed citizens remain relevant.

As for doing nothing, I recall many protests around the 2020 era where participants were armed open carrying such as in Michigan. The usage of their 2A 'bear arms' amplifies political voice in those instances. This pressured lawmakers without actual violence.

Further back, there was the Battle of Athens in Tennessee where citizens (mostly veterans) exercised their 2A to restore security to their jurisdiction

Beyond that USA is vast. Myself in particular, takes emergency services 20 minutes to reach here, so it absolutely provides a measure of safety for my family and neighbors.

Most gun owner* I've met are way more stable than the anti-gunners TBH. Most

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 5 2025 08:26am

I have no issues with a shotgun and a bolt action at home as I've noted before.

But to say armed citizens remain relevant while looking at the last 45 years of decline is pretty laughable. Gov't and companies don't need guns or care you have guns. That's pretty evident at this point. You would have to litterly deny the current state of America and its trajectory.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 5 2025 08:29am

Keep shouting your opinions SBD. I made that post in good faith

So did I. The evidence is the current American situation. Don't see much uprising from its citizens though. Dead American dream for most. No uprising.

Guns will not be what yeilds your freedom now. Shit breathing at this point costs 200 bucks. Buy this, register that, subscribe to this. Be poor, enjoy being poor, own nothing. That's the new American future.

By all means have a gun though.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 5 2025 08:34am

Why would citizens uprise when things are good? I'm just asserting citizens need these tools if circumstance erode enough and they are effective hence why the right is enshrined.

Ive lived across the Midwest, grew up very poor next to Somali refugee shit. The media on the TV is not a great representation of a majority of the country. What you describe sounds closer to the city model, suburban 'dream'. Cheap living rural atm, while Cities imploding.

I agree with your notion that a lot of US has made poor choices. Choices made from a position of privilege are usually not as well informed as compared to a position of hardship, at least in my experience.

If you want can DM, don't really want look at US shit lalalal comments non stop.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 5 2025 08:45am

The point is there's really no point at which there's going to be some civil uprising coup or something that the NRA has sold you as freedom for owning an automatic rifle or sold you to make you think you need to carry a gun on your hip daily.

That's a made up dream that's simply feed using paranoia and fear as a marketing device to sell things to Americans like many other products.

I think anyone can see you're very much more likely to arrive at some dystopian future than ever seeing some civil uprising now. Certainly not anything actually meaningful anyways.

That and let's be real any serious uprising would just be obliterated. Guns might have been advanced tech 50 years ago but guns are certainly not what they used to be if you're actually looking at a life taking device. A drone will do tenfold and will certainly be mass produced in the near future as both domestic riot control and military use. Will make guns look like a dogs squeaky toy.

You have been marketed to well and like all else on American you're an obedient consumer. No shame in that we all are these days.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 5 2025 09:00am

I'm not your Strawman

Denial is a hell of a drug they say. But what else can you do other than fantasize as your own kids future looks bleaker than the generations prior.

Please don't bring my kids up into your strawman.