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Aug 31 2025 04:11am
I don’t know if there was any answer to the following Israeli claims -
https://govextra.gov.il/mda/ipc/gaza/


The facts I posted remains valid despite the assertions in the link you provided. Its not safe ground to ever dismiss facts, and certainly not these facts, but ye, here we are.

We provided weapons, intelligence, direct military intervention with our navy all to stop the genocide by the arabs against the jews


I have no issue acknowledging historical instances of ethnic cleansing by various powers, including Arabs, Americans, and Brits, but there is no factual evidence to support the claim that Arabs committed genocide against Jews. The Germans did it though, contrary to the beliefs of some users around here.

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The facts I posted remains valid despite the assertions in the link you provided. Its not safe ground to ever dismiss facts, and certainly not these facts, but ye, here we are.



I have no issue acknowledging historical instances of ethnic cleansing by various powers, including Arabs, Americans, and Brits, but there is no factual evidence to support the claim that Arabs committed genocide against Jews. The Germans did it though, contrary to the beliefs of some users around here.


Are you even serious ?
A. I haven’t wrote one thing about the “facts” you wrote.
B. If you just add the word “fact” before everything you write, it doesn’t make it so. I believe that you are not a doctor / dietician and haven’t been to Gaza to personally count those cases. So you are using sources which you trust to provide “facts”. I call BS on those.
If people here can dismiss 10/7 cases by clamming its “Israeli fire” or “it didn’t happen” or “they are laying” I entitle myself to dismiss your trustworthy sources.
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Are you even serious ?
A. I haven’t wrote one thing about the “facts” you wrote.
B. If you just add the word “fact” before everything you write, it doesn’t make it so. I believe that you are not a doctor / dietician and haven’t been to Gaza to personally count those cases. So you are using sources which you trust to provide “facts”. I call BS on those.
If people here can dismiss 10/7 cases by clamming its “Israeli fire” or “it didn’t happen” or “they are laying” I entitle myself to dismiss your trustworthy sources.


Did you read the article you posted ?

and lets be clear now: you are refuting that anyone is dying in Gaza of starvation, correct?

The link you provided is an Israeli Government website. The Israeli Government spokespeople have repeatedly called for some...questionable things to happen to Gaza, therefore I am not surprised they are trying, once again, to literally shoot themselves in the foot by downplaying or trying to minimize what is happening in Gaza. This publication is part of Israel's broader campaign to fight against the international outcry the only way it knows how (which is totally baffling to me because Israel has some very smart people). This is not the way to deal with this PR disaster yet here we are. Israels international standing is being shredded right now by these stupid moves against the US, against England, Against France, Against Australia, Against the International Community etc etc etc.

by all means, carry on, they are all lying and Israel is on the right side of history. whatever...

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Did you read the article you posted ?

and lets be clear now: you are refuting that anyone is dying in Gaza of starvation, correct?

The link you provided is an Israeli Government website. The Israeli Government spokespeople have repeatedly called for some...questionable things to happen to Gaza, therefore I am not surprised they are trying, once again, to literally shoot themselves in the foot by downplaying or trying to minimize what is happening in Gaza. This publication is part of Israel's broader campaign to fight against the international outcry the only way it knows how (which is totally baffling to me because Israel has some very smart people). This is not the way to deal with this PR disaster yet here we are. Israels international standing is being shredded right now by these stupid moves against the US, against England, Against France, Against Australia, Against the International Community etc etc etc.

by all means, carry on, they are all lying and Israel is on the right side of history. whatever...


A wall of text that says nothing of value about the Israeli claims. Which, if you go back to my original post, is what I asked.
Thanks man, helped a lot.
By all means, carry on to eat the propaganda you choose.
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Aug 31 2025 05:28am
and lets be clear now: you are refuting that anyone is dying in Gaza of starvation, correct?


Sorry for the double post ,
Not what I said but ok -
Just seems odd that in Sudan there are thousands of photos with hungry children while in Gaza all the main newspapers seems to use all the wrong pictures with kids suffering from different diseases rather than famine.
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Fact fact fact.

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Recent Israeli cluster bomb strike on kindergarten eliminated Hamas youth affairs leader and his coordination team, including 6-year-old veteran.
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Recent Israeli cluster bomb strike on kindergarten eliminated Hamas youth affairs leader and his coordination team, including 6-year-old veteran.


IDF soldiers then stormed the place , took the bodies and drank their blood. IOF soldiers apparently believe that the blood of dead Palestinian children gives them superpowers. Now they are what they call “super Jews”.
The teddy bear got raped shortly after.
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Aug 31 2025 10:00am
IDF soldiers then stormed the place , took the bodies and drank their blood. IOF soldiers apparently believe that the blood of dead Palestinian children gives them superpowers. Now they are what they call “super Jews”.
The teddy bear got raped shortly after.


Israeli sources report that teddy bear was of the age of consent and has no complaints.
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Aug 31 2025 10:45am
Sorry for the double post ,
Not what I said but ok -
Just seems odd that in Sudan there are thousands of photos with hungry children while in Gaza all the main newspapers seems to use all the wrong pictures with kids suffering from different diseases rather than famine.
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Fact fact fact.


No one is disputing what is happening in Sudan or in other countries, but as a Western nation we hold Israel to a higher standard, because it is integrated with the West and perceived as upholding Western values. This is not meant to diminish the long history of colonial exploitation and conflict elsewhere. I do not believe terms like “strawman” or “whataboutism” belong in a debating forum—they are legitimate arguments. I accept that; my point is that these are different conflicts with different dynamics.

Sudan:

Sudan has a long history of conflict, fueled by ethnic, regional, and religious divisions. Sudan was not created in 2011, but that year represents a point of no return. In 2011, Sudan split primarily along north/south lines, reflecting two distinct ethnic, cultural, and religious groups. South Sudan gained independence (and most of the oil reserves) after decades of civil war. While South Sudan faces its own challenges, it is not actively killing its civilian population, unlike North Sudan.

North Sudan (present-day Sudan): The north was economically crippled after the 2011 split, leaving the government unable to provide basic necessities like food, water, and electricity. In such circumstances, it is natural for people to protest or rise up. There are parallels with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but the distinction is that in Sudan, the economic collapse was the driver, whereas in Gaza, the population is deliberately starved by Israel.

In 2019, Omar al-Bashir was removed by the military, and a civilian-military transitional government was established (power-sharing). This government was unable to fix the fundamental problems dating back to 2011. In 2021, the military fractured into two competing forces—the SAF and the RSF—effectively sidelining the civilian government. These two armed groups then moved against each other (I’m staying neutral on blame).

Current estimates: 40,000+ dead, 17,000,000 displaced (total population around 48-50m so 1/3 pop displaced), and famine in 17 of Sudan’s 19 states, with no indication that the situation will improve. There is no international political will to intervene, and internally, conditions are likely to worsen for years to come.

A natural or economically-driven famine is very different from a situation where policies deliberately restrict access to food and basic needs.

staying on topic -



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No one is disputing what is happening in Sudan or in other countries, but as a Western nation we hold Israel to a higher standard, because it is integrated with the West and perceived as upholding Western values. This is not meant to diminish the long history of colonial exploitation and conflict elsewhere. I do not believe terms like “strawman” or “whataboutism” belong in a debating forum—they are legitimate arguments. I accept that; my point is that these are different conflicts with different dynamics.

Sudan:

Sudan has a long history of conflict, fueled by ethnic, regional, and religious divisions. Sudan was not created in 2011, but that year represents a point of no return. In 2011, Sudan split primarily along north/south lines, reflecting two distinct ethnic, cultural, and religious groups. South Sudan gained independence (and most of the oil reserves) after decades of civil war. While South Sudan faces its own challenges, it is not actively killing its civilian population, unlike North Sudan.

North Sudan (present-day Sudan): The north was economically crippled after the 2011 split, leaving the government unable to provide basic necessities like food, water, and electricity. In such circumstances, it is natural for people to protest or rise up. There are parallels with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but the distinction is that in Sudan, the economic collapse was the driver, whereas in Gaza, the population is deliberately starved by Israel.

In 2019, Omar al-Bashir was removed by the military, and a civilian-military transitional government was established (power-sharing). This government was unable to fix the fundamental problems dating back to 2011. In 2021, the military fractured into two competing forces—the SAF and the RSF—effectively sidelining the civilian government. These two armed groups then moved against each other (I’m staying neutral on blame).

Current estimates: 40,000+ dead, 17,000,000 displaced (total population around 48-50m so 1/3 pop displaced), and famine in 17 of Sudan’s 19 states, with no indication that the situation will improve. There is no international political will to intervene, and internally, conditions are likely to worsen for years to come.

A natural or economically-driven famine is very different from a situation where policies deliberately restrict access to food and basic needs.

staying on topic -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-271x1Hfva8


That’s not the point.
Point is that Gaza , unlike Sudan, is very digital. You don’t need to have western media inside to get footage. Almost everyone there hold a phone to document what’s happening.
And in-spite of that the only footage of hungry children on the front page of all the big western newspapers is a sick child that gets treatment abroad ? Doesn’t seem strange to you ?
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