Sorry for the double post ,
Not what I said but ok -
Just seems odd that in Sudan there are thousands of photos with hungry children while in Gaza all the main newspapers seems to use all the wrong pictures with kids suffering from different diseases rather than famine.
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Fact fact fact.
No one is disputing what is happening in Sudan or in other countries, but as a Western nation we hold Israel to a higher standard, because it is integrated with the West and perceived as upholding Western values. This is not meant to diminish the long history of colonial exploitation and conflict elsewhere. I do not believe terms like “strawman” or “whataboutism” belong in a debating forum—they are legitimate arguments. I accept that; my point is that these are different conflicts with different dynamics.
Sudan:
Sudan has a long history of conflict, fueled by ethnic, regional, and religious divisions. Sudan was not created in 2011, but that year represents a point of no return. In 2011, Sudan split primarily along north/south lines, reflecting two distinct ethnic, cultural, and religious groups. South Sudan gained independence (and most of the oil reserves) after decades of civil war. While South Sudan faces its own challenges, it is not actively killing its civilian population, unlike North Sudan.
North Sudan (present-day Sudan): The north was economically crippled after the 2011 split, leaving the government unable to provide basic necessities like food, water, and electricity. In such circumstances, it is natural for people to protest or rise up. There are parallels with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but the distinction is that in Sudan, the economic collapse was the driver, whereas in Gaza, the population is deliberately starved by Israel.
In 2019, Omar al-Bashir was removed by the military, and a civilian-military transitional government was established (power-sharing). This government was unable to fix the fundamental problems dating back to 2011. In 2021, the military fractured into two competing forces—the SAF and the RSF—effectively sidelining the civilian government. These two armed groups then moved against each other (I’m staying neutral on blame).
Current estimates: 40,000+ dead, 17,000,000 displaced (total population around 48-50m so 1/3 pop displaced), and famine in 17 of Sudan’s 19 states, with no indication that the situation will improve. There is no international political will to intervene, and internally, conditions are likely to worsen for years to come.
A natural or economically-driven famine is very different from a situation where policies deliberately restrict access to food and basic needs.
staying on topic -
This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 31 2025 11:00am