Quote (penguinhero @ Aug 20 2025 11:35am)

in capitalist fashion the job market is evolving and will continue to evolve

much how like mining and factory towns went tits up, a lot of other industries are staged to face a similar ai reckoning.

reliable automation takes time, so theres time for people to see the writing on the wall and pivot to the demands of the market. many have considered blue collar/trades. many have learned ai to generate that skillset and be better at their jobs

shareholder value is status quo and people have come to rely on the stock market going up and quickly. hard to picture returning to prioritizing workers rights especially if it has the potential to negatively impact stock value

my pragmatic view:
imo only way out of todays high cost of living is to increase your takehome pay, which is market driven so get yourself a valuable skillset (whatever that looks like).


cost of living will only keep rising so the choices are try to adapt or stay poorget left behind and eat the table scraps

Quote (SBD @ Aug 20 2025 01:53pm)

Well if we mass deport the mexicans we're going to need drywallers friend. Although then housing is just going to cost more.

Quote (SBD @ Aug 20 2025 09:32am)

Perhaps is the algorithm doing what it does, but I cant help the enormous amount of media popping up about the despair of GenZ's prospects. Unemployment might be saying its low, but its far from the real story. Look at new graduate unemployment rates, highest in a decade by a lot outside of COVID and that's the group I am interested in here (GenZ).

The rise of AI - It will undoubtedly take entry level positions, and without any doubt improve manufacturing robotics to the point where most humans are likely eliminated completely. While more than 50% of companies surveyed currently who used AI to replace staff have had regrets, it would be stupid to think this current iteration will be what is being used 2-5 years from now. It will only improve.

I picture a .com crash but from the ashes just like google and few others did then, the actual useful ones will rise out of the ashes and be prominent.

Outsourcing - Entry level positions are being outsourced in record numbers to India, Philippines, Melyasia, etc. Education has not changed in any meaningful way that allows you to suddenly skip entry level positions and jump to senior positions. You can't get experience because because the job position does not exist for you anymore. Does education have to change to be more practical. Speaking from a finance and accounting background, I gained far more knowledge from actually working. University did provide some fundamentals, and challenges critical thinking via case studies, but it hardly prepares you for the actual workforce in terms of practical application. Something has to change here. The pipeline of new grads without positions to move them from junior to senior roles is going to cause a major issue, its already being seen in new grad unemployment rates.

From what I can tell no government are really tackling either issue head on. We're just spouting the same drivel that appeals to the emotions of voters. We will bring X business back and create X jobs and then you have whatever large company say yes 500 billion dollar investment incoming, wink, wink and anyone here knows that the investment wont happen or it will be nearly fully automated since its largely manufacturing based at this point with service roles either mostly outsourced where possible or now done via AI. We're on the cusp of that reality if you look at even short periods of time like a 10 year horizon.

Every-time there's some tech change in this world there's resistance or people screaming that its going to take all the jobs and it will be detrimental to people. I can remember watching a documentary on some of the first machines like the sewing machine and people used to burn down garment factories using it in protest, but usually it resulted in other jobs that offset.

This time does feel different, AI does not feel like its going to create other jobs in the same number that its going to replace and corps outsource a large number of the rest to another country. In conclusion I tend to agree and all political biases aside I think GenZ and others to come after them are fucked. You?

Again, politics aside, all gov'ts need to get Infront of this somehow. I'm not smart enough to know what that looks like though.

Quote (SBD @ Aug 20 2025 12:29pm)

I forsee the pitchforks and smoke 50 years from now. UBI has become a thing, but there's still make inequality but less advancement opportunities than ever which will have completely eliminated the american dream resulting in its citizens finally having a moment of clarity and becoming highly disgruntled with the wealthy.

On a side note, hot take, but the last 15 years have been the best advancement back towards slavery. Everyone's brainwashed into consumerism. You have a large potion of the populate that works to own things, to show off that they own things so that other people work to take pictures of the better things they purchased while workers rights have been slowly but surely pretty abolished. And its the perfection of it, its almost voluntary slavery which in itself is a oxymoron I know.



Must be in bleak mood this morning, we were talking our kids futures around a cup of coffee, and no one seemed overly optimistic, with most agreeing they have diverted their retirement plans so they can fund hundreds of thousands of dollars to their kids due to low prospects, especially here in Canada where our housing is totally fucked.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 20 2025 03:31pm)

as someone who works in automation i told PARD and everyone that would listen this 10+ years ago. i was called a Luddite. who's laughing now? im the next manager of my family's 400 acre farm with plenty of acreage, bitcoin, and gold/silver in my personal holdings. my family is set for at least a few generations.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 21 2025 06:31am)

most genz have accepted they will own nothing and be happy about it. they're not happy about it in reality of course, but accept it all the same. so the war ended before the battles began. boomers dont care, so genz parents and millennials are the only ones fighting. and of course now is the only chance, but its gonna take 10+ years to convince people. so its already over.

buy land, buy gold, buy bitcoin. long term everything else is ashes. 401ks will still beat inflation, and are 100% needed for all genz just to mitigate risk. but unless u have real hard assets genz's kids will be slaves sitting in 1 bedroom apartments spending govt credits on roblox all day every day. using a headset to "travel" from the comfort of a bed which is their only furniture.

as someone who works in automation i told PARD and everyone that would listen this 10+ years ago. i was called a Luddite. who's laughing now? im the next manager of my family's 400 acre farm with plenty of acreage, bitcoin, and gold/silver in my personal holdings. my family is set for at least a few generations.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Aug 20 2025 03:47pm)

Do you actively farm the land though? Was seeing AI based automation tools for it being pitched recently automated de-weeding apparatus for example. In my area, tons of farm land and little farmers crops. Like a hobby nowadays around here

Quote (SBD @ Aug 21 2025 09:01am)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdd3ep76g3go

"The owner of the Pretend To Work Company in the city of Dongguan is 30-year-old Feiyu (a pseudonym). "What I'm selling isn't a workstation, but the dignity of not being a useless person," he says."


I'm going to need to start one of these for new graduates in North America, although our society does not deem your a horrible failure if you're still with your parents past graduation at this point.

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/chinese-firms-office-spaces-for-unemployed-pretend-to-work-125011700775_1.html

"These services provide a temporary solution for those unwilling to disclose their jobless status to family members, according to the South China Morning Post."

"Another similar service, priced at 50 yuan ($7), allows clients to pose as “bosses” in a plush office setting, complete with a leather chair, to take convincing photos for family members."


I don't think we're at that pressure yet, although with social media, we do seem to pretend quite a bit and post fake lives.