Quote (Saurod @ 4 Jul 2025 08:27)

Change my mind is a funny phrase to say without free will, I admit that*lol

So, before I will challenge you to discuss this with me, let me say that it doesnt matter if you are religious or not. REAL free will in the sense of the word or in the sense of the meaning we give the phrase doesnt exist from both perspectives in my opinion.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Aug 7 2025 10:22pm)

Would you agree then that someone who studied Buddhism which has many concepts revolving around the notion of “no free will”.

This guy Saurod doesn’t want the answer he just wants to stir the pot.

Doesn’t understand there’s volumes upon volumes of discourse between Hindus and Buddhists on this very subject but like I said he doesn’t want to intimately answer this within himself.

Edit: He thinks man made science transcends whatever is possible for him being here. He thinks the math and words we use to decribe the world around us is more advanced and precise then what the universe itself is projecting.

Quote (Chainsaw47 @ 8 Aug 2025 05:36)

I don’t think that reality is different for someone who believes in whatever religion. They might have set different boundaries for themselves through their beliefs (or the opposite). I honestly don’t care about hindus or buddhists and their beliefs though.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Aug 8 2025 09:49am)

Right and that shows your ignorance.

You are clearly WHITE like me. You are Caucasian. You were born into a household that believed in the "formed image of God" not the "formless version".

This is why atheist are literal retards. An atheist is refuting the existence of a God that he/she claims "doesn't exist. By even entertaining the concept/idea you are giving way to the notion most humans believe in a "powerful magic man in the sky".

This is what ^Saurod believes. Unfortunately or fortunately for him the Buddhist and Hindus debated "free will" and the "existence of God" amongst a million other "conceptual philosophies" for a THOUSAND years before the Abrahmic folk started killing the "non-believers". You know those Muslims and Christians loved killing in the name of their god.

All I'm saying is this dude "ascribes to a different version of "god" then billions of others who don't worship an "image". That's why he's the fool. I was just like him with some agnostic atheistic tendencies but I then researched the root of atheism and all this shit and found the truth for myself. The real truth written down and spoken about for a thousand years.

Both of you stay ignorant. It's more enjoyable for me to see people talk in circles with no direction like Saurod. Speaking in platitudes.

I may say too much but that's because I have something to say and add to this conversation. Most of you don't sorry and should stick to the political threads which are sadly your expertise.

Quote (Chainsaw47 @ 8 Aug 2025 12:13)

Hey you do you with whatever bullshit you want to believe in mate. I have no interest in discussing religion because it always devolves into schizo ramblings like this.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Aug 9 2025 12:11am)

Right and politics is better? Give me a break.

It sounds like schizophrenia to you because like I said you've not read into much like Saurod.

Ya let's talk about "free will".

A fake atheist goes back and fourth with two honest Christians.

I tell this guy, you, and others that this "free will" thing was debated for thousands of years by "not white people". So of course naturally your ignorant of Indian culture. To you it's inferior but then you don't know human history.

You see I studied philosophy and I know what Saurod "thinks" he's trying to say but people "not me" have summarized this topic with VOLUMES and all I do is nicely tell this ^Saurod guy "hey if you want to know the truth maybe read into these texts they get to the root of what you are trying to get at".

He then tells me I'm not intimidated or scared by my "fake facts" when it's literally the human booklet on the debate of "free will".

It's funny to me like I said because he "makes the assumption that all people see god as the Abrahamic MALE/PARTRIARCHAL "man in the sky god". He couldn't fathom billions of people don't see it that way. I guess I made him aware that part of the beginning of the end of fake atheism is looking into Eastern philosophy.

Kids living a lie and I'm telling him to stop doing it. He doesn't believe in free will so he'll never pick up a book on Buddhism and see that it was all right there for him all along. His EGO got in the way. Nothing else prevented him from the truth.

Quote (Chainsaw47 @ 9 Aug 2025 01:46)

As I already told you, I’m not interested.

Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 7 2025 05:19pm)

you say "no free will" but grant yourself exceptions or grant your self free will were its needed. how can you stand it?

Quote (majorblood @ Aug 7 2025 11:40pm)

to the bold:

now this is a completely different claim compared to what you made earlier for multiple pages, absolutely ripped out the goalposts and contradicts your previous claim.

to save some sort of credibiltiy why wouldn't you just say "oh i was completely wrong about my previous statement" instead of this sophistry?

"Self-awareness isn't knowledge in the traditional sense"

prove this?

it absolutely and precisely fills your requirement and to say it doesn't is simply wrong. you asked for "...ONE example, just ONE logic example in which knowledge that is not aquired does not equal causation."

to the rest, i've already explained this and if i explain it again based off your past behavior i just expect goal post shifting.

your major issue is you are not able or willing to differentiate necessary vs certainty in god's knowledge, to understand the difference between certainly knows vs necessarily caused.

this is something essential to modal logic, and without understanding logic it might be difficult to comprehend how someone can know something will happen without causing it to happen