Most red states are already gerrymandered quite substantially as well. There are no "30 or more seats" to be gained from red states.

Massachusetts is an outlier case in that Republicans are so homogenously spread out across the state that it's almost impossible to draw a red seat at all. It would take an active pro-GOP gerrymander to get any GOP seats from MA. The mirror image is Wisconsin, where the natural political geography of the state heavily benefits Republicans. In WI, all the Democrats are "self-packed" into Milwaukee and Madison and it would take an active, pro-Dem gerrymander to even just get to a 4-4 map.

Not true, California and NY have enough republican seats to counter Texas and FL

I do not want them to gerrymander every republican seat out of California. Besides killing democracy, you may be in denial but I really am a republican and I vote that way in most issues, I just don't support the stupid poorly executed stuff like tariffs and doge

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_current_members_of_the_U.S._Congress

From the present House situation, omitting purple states:

Republicans stand to gain:
Alabama: 2
Florida: 8
Indiana: 2
Kansas: 1
Kentucky: 1
Louisiana: 2
Mississipi: 1
Missouri: 2
NC: 4
Ohio: 5
SC: 1
Tennessee: 1
Texas: 12
Wisconsin:2

For a total of 44 seats

Democrats stand to gain:

California: 9 (California however has legal barriers)
Colorado: 4
Illinois: 3
Maryland: 1
NJ: 3
NY: 7
Oregon: 1
Washington: 2

For a total of 30 seats. If we remove CA, it is 21 seats

This isn't a fight they can win by the numbers alone even with flawless gerrymandering in NY, NJ and CA which would be hard since they would be disenfranchising all the countryside, noting that its far more easy for Republicans to gerrymander compared to Democrats since *all* Dem voters are concentrated in cities (an easy gerrymander)

And this isnt even counting Trump's new amended census which eliminates illegals - meaning that Democrats are mega cooked with California in particular who stand to lose many seats entirely

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 8 2025 04:37pm

While CA and NY can come close, TX and FL still outnumber them. Then you have small amounts from numerous red states that swing the odds heavily to the Republicans

Giving you the benefit of the doubt of being Republican, you surely are represented by a Republican faction that has since been decisively defeated and have defected to the Democrats - with key reps being Pence, Cheney, Kinzinger and friends. The Republican party is now the party of the MAGA ethos, a staunch rejection of International Jewry and globalism in general, futile "nation building" efforts of evolutionarily undeveloped peoples, and anti-Nationalist forces. Not to mention the dispossession of native white founding stock and elevation of evolutionary undeveloped and parasitic peoples

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 8 2025 04:26pm

Your key premise if off, namely that there are no limits whatsoever on gerrymandering, so that a 52-0 Dem California map, or a 36-0 GOP Texas map are feasible. That's not true at all.

First, there are the racial minority seats which are (for now) protected by the Voting Rights Act. As long as the VRA is in place, the GOP can't get rid of the 1 blue seats in MS, AL and SC, as well as with several urban seats in downtown Dallas, Houston, Cleveland, St. Louis etc.

Second, most state constitutions have compactness and community-of-interest requirements for their seats. Even in the absence of a redistricting commission, you can't get arbitrarily ugly and fancy with your maps.

Third, there are many purple or light blue/red states in which the dominant party just doesn't have the votes to create arbitrarily many seats which it can reliably win. Take Georgia, for example: the current 10-4 map is already the best the GOP can get out of that state. Maybe 11-3 would be possible without the VRA, but that's about it. You will never be able to reduce Democratic seats in Atlanta down to zero.

My key premise is exactly as presented, that is an assumption of perfect gerrymandering. Which of course isnt exactly practical, these numbers are theoretical but still illustrate the point: this isnt a fight that Democrats can win. I didnt include mixed states like Georgia here but those too could swing seats towards Republicans

The VRA is explicitly racist and anti-white, thus slated for destruction so its pretty irrelevant, even if it yields a few democrat seats in the near term. The real crushing blow will be the new federal census which will likely kill over 20 Dem seats

One of the worst mistakes that the Demorats made is radicalizing John Roberts, the formerly centrist chief Justice. Now he is fully MAGA and understands there is no negotiation with radical communists. Played themselves...

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 8 2025 04:52pm

If your hypothetical numbers are fundamentally impossible to ever be achieved in reality, they don't actually help your point.


The VRA needs to go, and is on its way out imho. But I don't expect the Supreme Court to settle this question in time for the midterms. With regard to 2026, the new census which doesn't count illegals is the bigger hope if you ask me.

You understood my point exactly, im not sure what youre doing here. The point is the numbers dont work out in favour of the dems if they want to go down this road.

They radicalized John Roberts. They're cooked. Its not necessary to remove before the midterms as you mentioned with the census crushing blow but he just might do it anyways in support of principle

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 8 2025 04:56pm

Your speculation isn't logical. If it actually escalates to the point where states do perfect gerrymandering, you're talking about a total breakdown of government. There are many other things that could happen including literal civil war

I've stated time and time again, and its not just my opinion, there is zero chance of a civil war, but there is a chance of a civil massacre. And even that won't happen, if push comes to shove it will be a relatively simple relatively bloodless coup, with democrat leaders being publicly executed.

What happens to cities in a civil war? They get sieged and have no food. Not only that but one side is comprised of a base of obese or scrawny invalids while the other is comprised of a base of hardened working men who are extremely pissed off and armed to the teeth