Theres a big difference between just believing something or concluding something based on the current available scientific achievements. I explained to you in detail WHY I concluded that - based on the current information available, free will seems not like an answer we could come to.

And again: No free will, doesnt necessarily mean "No Mind" or " No capability to look up stuff". If it was that easy to conclude, no one would have ever discussed the topic or still discuss it.
It remains an open question both in science and in philosophy. No one would ask that question if the answer was as simple as you claim it is.

This post was edited by Saurod on Aug 5 2025 04:31am

Nothing of that sort was ever disproven. Not 80 years ago and not today.

Yes, quantum mechanics are considered as not deterministic, but no one ever made a case against macrodeterminism out of this. Everything we can measure still happens as predicted and expected. Quantums movements are a reality, but they are not powerful enough to influence on a bigger scale. All relevant brain activities operate on a much bigger scale and are barely influenced by quantum mechanics.

This post was edited by Saurod on Aug 5 2025 04:45am

Its pretty much the opposite. I cant parrot what I havent heard of, so my opinions are mine while yours are just stupid parroting.

Your ad hominem crap doesnt impress me or intimidate me at all.

This post was edited by Saurod on Aug 5 2025 07:01am

yes it does because even if you have some kind of 'limited free will you have no way of knowing is this the limited free will time or is this the no free will time. for a "no free will" person you sure have a lot of "certainty"

ya they would there is always someone saying stupid stuff regardless level of 'education

This post was edited by TiStuff on Aug 5 2025 10:08am

Brain activity is literally mediated by proton and electron tunneling (quantum effects)

Have you ever read a biochemistry paper in your life?

All cellular function is mediated by proton tunneling actually.

Except but it doesnt

you’re from EU so you definitely have no free will lol

You are absolutely right that quantum tunneling plays a role in certain cellular processes, especially in enzymatic reactions and within mitochondria. But pointing out that quantum effects exist at the molecular level doesnt automatically mean they are relevant at the cognitive or behavioral level.

Biological systems operate under layers of complexity and statistical robustness. Just because a process involves quantum mechanics at the microlevel doesnt mean that macroscale brain activity — like making decisions or forming thoughts — becomes indeterminate or unpredictable. Neurons fire in patterns shaped by biochemistry, structure, and experience, not by random quantum events.

In fact, one of the key features of the brain is reliability.
If quantum fluctuations played a major role in cognition, you wouldnt be able to form coherent thoughts, have stable memories or repeat the same behavior twice.

So yes, quantum tunneling is real. But its a biiig leap — both logically and scientifically — to suggest that this undermines determinism or meaningfully alters brain function on a level relevant to decision making or consciousness.

Yes it does because behaviour and cognition are macro statistical results of underlying micro cellular causes

This post was edited by El1te on Aug 5 2025 01:21pm

True, but that doesnt mean that quantum randomness scales up in any meaningful or uncontrolled way.

Emergence doesnt work by simply adding up quantum noise, it works through organization, redundancy, and averaging. In fact, many microscopic uncertainties cancel out or become irrelevant at larger scales. Thats why macroscopic systems like engines, weather systems, or brains can still behave predictably even though their components are probabilistic.

Neural activity operates with massive numbers of molecules and ions in concert. The statistical nature of the system makes it more stable, not less. Just like the motion of a gas is based on countless random particle collisions, but we can still reliably predict pressure and temperature.

So yes, cognition depends on the micro level, but it doesnt mean that macroscopic determinism collapses because of it. The brain is a complex, but ultimately robust, system.