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Jul 31 2025 08:48am
What I personally mean when I say i conclude there is no free will, is no free will based on what we humans in general mean when we use the term. Or at least what I think most mean.

This would be my definition, maybe you agree with it:

Free will is making decisions without a deterministic process or an omnipotent power forcing us to make them.

No free will - in the human context - is making decisions, forced by a deterministic process or an omnipotent power, without us realizing that we are forced into making them.

So it would feel the exact same, no matter if free will is real or not.

What I would totally agree on would be the opinion that it doesnt matter if it feels the exact same. Totally valid to say that. Its like Cypher in Matrix not caring if the world around him is "real" or not as long as it feels real.


I already covered this right at the start of this topic. It's already disproven and you can read the Experimental section of the original papers and perform the experiments yourself if you don't believe it.

Your view that everything is deterministic in line with antecedent events is logically sound and was widely believed up until it was disproven over 80 years ago. The fact that you stick your head in the sand about this is a you problem.
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Jul 31 2025 10:04am
link me to a definition of free will that you accept. or i will just provide one


Sure. If mine isnt your thing, tell me what yours is.
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Jul 31 2025 01:28pm
Sure. If mine isnt your thing, tell me what yours is.


ok ill wait
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ok ill wait


You said, I should link one or you'll provide one. So I asked you to provide one, if the one I mentioned beforehand isnt your thing. Here again:

Free will is making decisions without a deterministic process or an omnipotent power forcing us to make them.

Do you agree or disagree?

This post was edited by Saurod on Jul 31 2025 11:11pm
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You said, I should link one or you'll provide one. So I asked you to provide one, if the one I mentioned beforehand isnt your thing. Here again:

Free will is making decisions without a deterministic process or an omnipotent power forcing us to make them.

Do you agree or disagree?


ok we will go with that. then if "no free will" there is no reason to have a conversation about anything
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ok we will go with that. then if "no free will" there is no reason to have a conversation about anything


Why not?
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Why not?


no one can ever be sure if your speaking from your will or from something else. might as well just be a rock
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no one can ever be sure if your speaking from your will or from something else. might as well just be a rock


Does it not matter to you how it feels? We dont have free will? Who cares, as long as it feels like it, right?
Why getting depressed over something we all dont know is right or wrong? Do what you always do, no reason to lose your drive ;)

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I already covered this right at the start of this topic. It's already disproven and you can read the Experimental section of the original papers and perform the experiments yourself if you don't believe it.

Your view that everything is deterministic in line with antecedent events is logically sound and was widely believed up until it was disproven over 80 years ago. The fact that you stick your head in the sand about this is a you problem.


So this guy is still at it?

Do you think he googled "Swami Vivekananda" once after I mentioned he has some of the greatest commentaries/opinions on "free will" / "atheism".

I'll answer for you. He hasn't.

Like I said he's a lazy agnostic atheist who speaks in platitudes. Never studied even the origins of how his own "thinking" is "happening".

Can lead an atheist to water but can't make him THINK critically.

what say you???? You can't debate or conversate with me because you don't know the origins of the "debate on free will" and therefore the opinions you think are "genuinely yours" are not and a Buddhist monk said what your saying now and actually made SENSE of it all. You know because some people read into this stuff(Me). Some do not(you). Example of "free will" you will not look into something that would directly support your own world view/bias. You pretend you don't have a bias but you do. Having only based your opinions on Abrahamic centric world views your VIEW is skewed because you have not studied intensely the way in which you think and why that "type of thinking" arises in the first place.
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Does it not matter to you how it feels? We dont have free will? Who cares, as long as it feels like it, right?
Why getting depressed over something we all dont know is right or wrong? Do what you always do, no reason to lose your drive ;)

its not about how i feel its about what you "believe" not that you "believe" anything because you have "no free will" your mind controlled, thats what you "believe". why you trying to have a conversation about anything when your by your own "belief"..........your nothing?

title is a oxymoron
Free Will Does Not Exist - Change My Mind - what mind? your not even there. lol we are a bunch of suckers for talking to "you" to begin with.



So this guy is still at it?

Do you think he googled "Swami Vivekananda" once after I mentioned he has some of the greatest commentaries/opinions on "free will" / "atheism".

I'll answer for you. He hasn't.

Like I said he's a lazy agnostic atheist who speaks in platitudes. Never studied even the origins of how his own "thinking" is "happening".

Can lead an atheist to water but can't make him THINK critically.

^Saurod what say you???? You can't debate or conversate with me because you don't know the origins of the "debate on free will" and therefore the opinions you think are "genuinely yours" are not and a Buddhist monk said what your saying now and actually made SENSE of it all. You know because some people read into this stuff(Me). Some do not(you). Example of "free will" you will not look into something that would directly support your own world view/bias. You pretend you don't have a bias but you do. Having only based your opinions on Abrahamic centric world views your VIEW is skewed because you have not studied intensely the way in which you think and why that "type of thinking" arises in the first place.


need free will to look up things on the net :)
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