It doesn’t seem to matter the morally confused leftist apologists still refuse to climb down from their tree.

ah so if some aid comes in, even half a truck then this means no starvation to the million civilians got it.
It's like saying the jews in the concentration camp weren't starving because the nazis gave them a piece of bread once in a while. Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

So israels agents inside a foreign country was able to report something credible. Wouldn't a journalist of a foreign country be able to do the same thing. Kinda sounds like it's, i don't know, their speciality? their job? What they do for a living?

That comparison is obscene and historically illiterate. The Holocaust was a system of industrial extermination, not a war against a terror group embedded in civilian areas. No one is saying life in Gaza is easy, but calling it intentional starvation is a huge stretch. You need to prove intent, and that doesn’t exist here.

Israel has let in tons of aid. If Hamas steals it or blocks it, blame them. The fact that Israel still lets aid through, helps evacuate the sick, and opens corridors during a war actually proves the opposite of what you’re claiming.

Wait, are you seriously comparing a foreign journalist or human rights activist to a Mossad Agent or Sayeret Matkal soldier? One is trained to operate deep inside enemy territory, gather intelligence, and risk their life under extreme conditions. The other depends on access given by Hamas and reports what they are allowed to see.

There is a reason military intelligence is trusted more in hostile areas. It is not filtered by a terror group. Acting like they are the same kind of source just shows either confusion or a complete lack of understanding.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 30 2025 01:23am

I'm trying to frame you own logic in words that might reach you differently so you can see the absurdity of your own arguments. Like arguging that because you get a piece of bread you are no longer starving. Or if there's a hospital down the road you can no longer get sick. Those kind of arguments are invalid and you are using them all the time.

Not a full comparison no, but journalists reporting to war and that has access to war areas are highly trained, very experienced and have reported from conflicts for a long time. They deliver trusted information and helps keep the public informed. This Israel denies and subsequently denies all information from the very same area they are accussed of committing war crimes in. You do see the fallacy in this yes? It's like trusting a person on trial for murder and allow him to select the witnesses at his trial.

Thats a truly wanton generalization. Most of the reporters in Ukraine were amateurs with a cameraphone and youtube channel. US embedded journalists are often shallow pseudocelebrities with no ethical code, with careers that blow up when their misconduct comes to light. Gaza is filled with 'journalists' who duck behind a wall and start firing on the IDF or have hostages in their basement. Warzone reporters, whether embedded foreigners or local amateurs and contractors, are the same mixed bag of humanity as the rest of us. Often worse, I mean, they did choose journalism

Your whole argument misses the point. Journalists and NGOs in Gaza are not just covering a war. They are working under Hamas, which controls what they can report and punishes anyone who steps out of line. That is not real journalism. It is reporting under pressure.

And no, I am not saying that if someone eats a piece of bread, they are fine. I am saying that when markets are full of aid-marked supplies and hundreds of aid trucks go in, this is not planned starvation. In a real famine, there would be nothing to sell.

Also, let’s be real. There is no comparison between NGO workers or journalists and Mossad agents or special forces. One group relies on access granted by the people they are supposed to report on. The other is trained to operate inside enemy territory, collect intel without permission, and survive in the most hostile environments. Pretending those are equal sources makes no sense.

Your murder trial example falls apart too. Israel is not picking witnesses. It is asking for evidence that is not filtered through people under a terror group’s control.



Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ)- Gaza journalists speak out about Hamas intimidation, threats, and assaults
https://cpj.org/2025/05/gaza-journalists-speak-out-about-hamas-intimidation-threats-assaults

State Dept Report 2023- Journalists detained and harassed by Hamas
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/528267_WEST-BANK-AND-GAZA-2023-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

Reuters Institute- Gaza journalists face extreme risks and restrictions
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/these-journalists-gaza-risk-their-lives-cover-israel-hamas-war-nothing-can-describe-what-you

I gotta say, the UK and FR moves to 'recognize palestine **if**...." reeks of total flaccid stupidity. They arent taking a bold stand to throw their weight behind Palestinians. They aren't willing to break with Israel. They attached impossible conditions to recognizing a Palestinian state, demanding they fully demilitarize. Which won't happen. Which means one of two things. The UK and France need to violate their word and betray Israel and throw the world power balance in peril- which they wont. Or they will sit back and continue to do nothing, betraying the emptiness of their impotent posturing. A year later someone will point out how they said they would recognize Palestine, but haven't, and won't.

They’re just trying to keep their new voter base from Pakistan and the rest of the ‘First World’ satisfied.

Hamas doesn't control the vast majority of Gaza anymore. Israel does. So let the journalists in, they are willing to take the risk. They are not allowed by Israel. THAT IS the critisism.


No. Read my "wall of text" and the documentation i already sent there's a clear definition of famine and what critiera needs to be fulfilled for it to reach that level. If you disagree with the meaning of that as i laid it out, then let's speak to that first before we discuss what is and isn't famine. Certainly there's starvation.


Ofc there is a comparison you are mentioning them yourself.
What motive does a UK doctor have, when he returns to the UK saying that he treated multiple children with gunshots at certain places, and the cluster of gunshuts varied from day to day to the same body parts of children (groin, chest, neck, head). The only conclusion was israeli snipers did target practice.


It is picking witnesses if it insists on controlling all the information and denies everything it doesn't provide itself. Which Israel very clearly does.




Thank you for caring enough to share some sources. We do know though that hamas is a shitty terror organization. No one has denied that.

This post was edited by DocPhil on Jul 30 2025 02:55am

Not gonna happen