After all, Hamas does have a 150 million dollar propaganda budget.

Oh .. wait that's Israel.

Nope Palestine is just posting pictures of their lives, meanwhile Israel is trying to lie about the color of the sky lmao.

No.
I'm not going to take your word for that.
I've been very precise in the context of starvation and genocide and i have documented and linked to a great number of articles, and research done on this and you always just respond with 1 liners saying "it's political" or "they are hamas" and now "a wall of text".
If you claim the ICP and FEWS are so incredibly incompetent they just parrot what they are told in some anti israel conspiracy theory i welcome you to document it then we can have a talk about the crediblity of the sources if you'd like.

I will make your life easy for you and link to the reseach done by ICP
https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_GazaStrip_Alert_July2025.pdf

I’m not saying the IPC or FEWS NET are doing a bad job. I’m just pointing out what they clearly admit themselves. They don’t have direct access to Gaza.

Even the document you shared says it.
“Due to limited access, direct evidence on mortality, food consumption, and malnutrition is scarce.”

In simple terms, that means none of the three famine conditions have actually been verified. Their assessments are based on secondhand reports from Hamas. And we’ve already seen how that system pushed a photo of a sick child that turned out to have a genetic condition, not famine.

So no, I’m not ignoring the fact that people are suffering. I’m just questioning how much we can trust data that hasn’t been independently verified, especially in the middle of a war with terrorist organization.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 29 2025 10:45pm

That was quick, so if we take basis in the document, you do then agree that there's accute risk of Famine in Gaza and that there's definitely starvation?

About the data you're continuing in the same loop as always and it's your go to argument but it's completely void of logic.
IDF doesn't allow anybody in to verify so therefor all data is false and hamas.
And apparently all data collected from the 115 aid organizations and doctors present with boots on the ground incl the IPC & FEWS are then also tainted by Hamas. Don't you see what Israel is doing?

Any group operating under Hamas rule does so under threat, surveillance, and pressure. In that kind of environment, you simply can’t expect free, honest, or reliable reporting and it is well documented.

Furthermore, It’s not about denying suffering it’s about recognizing that information gathered under fear is not trustworthy evidence.

Edit:
And let’s be precise. People going hungry in a war zone is not the same as deliberate starvation. There’s a huge difference between suffering caused by conflict and an intentional policy to starve civilians.

That said, after what they’ve done, I personally don’t think we owe them even a grain of salt. If anyone feels obligated to supply them, let Egypt step up, they share a border too.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 29 2025 11:03pm

So no information gathered ever under any warzone is then trustworthy. Got it. I mean it's a bit weird you use this argument because didn't Israel when they bombed Iran recently rely almost entirely on information obtained from people... inside iran?

Edit:

Correct people suffer in warzone. When Israel cut off all food, water, power and did a complete blockade since after the attack on the 7th of october that's when people started to talk about genocidal motives and starvation tactics. Because that's what the government said they would do.
So people are starving in gaza because Israel made them starve. They said they would. So they starve.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/no-power-water-or-fuel-to-gaza-until-hostages-freed-says-israeli-minister

If starvation is being deliberately inflicted by Israel, how do you explain the open markets in Gaza selling aid supplies? These are Hamas funding their war with the aid we provide.
So if people starve which I do not believe they do you should blame Hamas for stealing the aid.


There’s a big difference between Israel’s intelligence operations in Iran and humanitarian reports coming out of Gaza. Israel had its own agents and verified sources on the ground in Iran. In contrast, most human rights groups in Gaza are not independent, they operate under Hamas’s tight control, censorship, and constant threat.

I hope people can see the absolute absurdity of this argument. It makes absolutely no sense.
If you have an excess of a perishable good, and you want to support your family, you can choose to sell it. Is this then evidence that there's no starvation? Ofc not. And i believe the prices in those mentioned markets have increased some 8000% right? So the people who can afford something might eat, but what happened to all those that cannot afford?



No no you cannot have special rules for Israelis. You said people who work under dangerous regimes and under danger cannot give trust worthy intel you didn't say "unless they are israelis".

https://x.com/NYTimesPR/status/1950311365756817690

We only peddle Hamas propaganda on days that end in y

You’re missing the point. The issue isn’t that some people are selling aid, it’s that the aid is there to begin with. In a real famine, you wouldn’t see markets full of aid-labeled supplies out in the open.

Black markets pop up when there’s something to steal or flip, not when there’s nothing at all. That shows corruption and hoarding, not total starvation.

And about the intel, no one said Israelis get special treatment. The difference is simple. Israel got info from its own agents inside Iran. That’s not the same as depending on people stuck under Hamas control in Gaza, where no one can speak freely without risking their life. That’s just common sense.