Well we are having a debate, so if i can't take your word for anything what's the point?
That you can find 1 guy saying life is all fine without hamas i guess that's fine, hamas afterall is a terror organization so it makes sense that being liberated from them amounts to some good. I don't get the argument here because being free from Hamas does not absolve israel of its crimes against the population in large. Israel is still starving the population has not allowed aid in and has closed the borders this is just simple facts and if you want a Hamas free argument i guess all is fine in the west bank? Nothing happening there and all life is in perfect balance and peace and harmony has been obtained?
Gazans can return home? This goes against what your finance minister and general government is saying. They are creating their camp.
I find your logic flawed to be honest. You say that on one hand all palestinians bear a responsibility of hamas and therefor all israeli actions are justified. By that logic then all Israels actions in the past and now are a joint responsibility of Israelies and therefor all consequences (incl oct 7) then should fall on Israel.
Unless ofc you don't think a 40 + year occupation has anything to do with oct7. Even so, with the war crimes being committed now what kind of actions will happen in the future that are then a direct consequence of the war?
You are twisting my words to justify a false equivalence - that is bad faith logic.
Saying Gazans bear responsibility for Hamas is not collective punishment. It is recognizing the reality that Hamas was not forced on them last year. They were voted in, supported, and allowed to operate freely for nearly two decades, with weapons stored in homes, mosques, and schools. Actions have consequences, especially when a terror army operates from your backyard.
Israel is not creating a camp. It is creating a buffer zone to prevent another October 7. That is not ethnic cleansing, it is defense after mass rape, torture, and child murder. If Hamas had not launched that attack, Gaza would not be in ruins. That is a fact, not an excuse.
And no, Israelis did not commit anything close to what was done on October 7. You do not get to equate airstrikes on military targets, even when civilians tragically die because Hamas hides behind them, with people burned alive, raped in front of their families, and decapitated on camera.
Occupation? Israel left Gaza in 2005. No settlers, no soldiers, nothing. Hamas turned it into a fortress, not Singapore. If you think October 7 was some kind of reaction, then you are justifying mass murder as political expression. That is not resistance, that is barbarism.
This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 28 2025 12:42am