Hey guys, I decided to make hybsin but my only source of informations about this build is video below:
https://youtu.be/iC-iXTsWIBg?si=G8ogwP4iLrBvS1GC

So I wanna make something like that (but cheaper unfortunately) but the problem is I've got already Runic talons [253ed/15min/11max/129/fools/erep] - not bad one but without ias - and here's my main question: is it even usable for the sin I wanna have or useless without any ias cuz I need to have it to put traps? I've got few ideas:
1. Using chaos in main hand and fools on off. Not sure it's gonna fix the problem and it's even worth to do but that's why I'm asking you guys!
2. Puting jewel 15ias in claw and griffon. Same story cuz I don't know it's gonna work.
3. Not going 102fcr and put 15ias in claw and 30ias in 2os diadem. Never played sin so I don't know that 102 fcr is rly that important to have but griffon seems like it's very best choice for her. Isn't it?
4. Maybe all this things ain't worth and I should consider selling this claw and get something with ias (how much do I need actually on that fools weapon?) or just using fury/chaos.
5. In old (LOD) Bui's guide I saw this, but not sure it's still working or the bug is fixed in d2r:
How to WSM Bug your claws (to increase trap laying speed)
• Place your slower claw (Suwayyah) over your glove side, and place the faster claws (Feral/Runic) over your boots side
• Click on the glove side claw to pick it up and click once more to wear it again
• Now your weapon IAS will take effect from your boot side (Faster) claw only giving you faster speed to lay traps quicker

I will be very grateful for any advice and showing me some sin city life. Cheers!

That video is literred with completely wrong information and is just intended for click bait.

For hybrid, a 40ias/300ed/fools/erep runic is worse then a magical fools greater talon of quickness with 3ls and 2 socket. Which goes for around 3-3.5k fg.

Bui’s guide is also completely littered with wrong information as well, even for lod.

Wsm bug isn’t a thing in d2r.

Hybrid will use both 102 and 65fcr. Genenrally speaking, under budget scenarios, your 102 setup is what you will use for most opponents. But for sin v sin, you will genenrally use 65 FCR setup.

To make recommendations on how to build your sin, would need more information related to your budget, what you plan on fightning etc etc.

This post was edited by NumberOneWhirlGirlEver on Jul 24 2025 04:00pm

Thanks for answer! I think I'll be able to get 20-30k for her, maybe more cuz I'm not in hurry to buy all in few days, but still the first thing that I wish to know is that my fools runic talons are even useful or should I forget about them because it's not gonna work well without ias on them?

They aren’t useful.

As mentioned above, a 3-3.5k fg claw beats a 40ias/300ed/fools/erep runic.

You will genenrally have 2x of the fools gt of quickness with 3ls and 2os. 1x will have 2x Um in it. 1x will have 1x Um + 1x 15ias/15res jewel.

Even if I wanna build sin based more on WW than traps? I mean using 9x shadow SKS instead of trap.

E: what do you mean by using 2x of the fools gt? Where place for chaos? Or I misunderstood you?

This post was edited by Zoohan on Jul 24 2025 04:23pm

You will still do more WW damage using a fools gt of quickness with 3ls and 2x um then you would with a 40ias/300ed/fools/erep runic.

Hybrid has little ED% modifiers and runic has extremely low weapon damage. Trying to scale physical damage on a hybrid, particularly a budget one, is a great way to build a dog shit character.


Once you do the math, which I have done numerous times, the extra Um rune in a fools gt of quickness compared to a 40ias/300ed/fools/erep runic, does more damage than the difference in physical damage between the 2 claws. Then you still have an extra 3LS, which is roughly 1000 LS damage, which translates to an extra 21.25 average PvP damage per hit vs a 75 res opponent or an extra 10.6 average damage vs a 80res/20sorb opponent.

No matter how you slice it, fools gt of quickness with 3ls and 2os > 40ias/300ed/fools/erep runic.

The 2x Um one is used for your 65 setup or in 102 setup while using burst of speed
The 1x um / 1x 15ias/15res one is used for 102 setup with fade as a way to reach max trap laying speed. Given none of your other gear in 102 can provide ias since your griffon will be cham’d


You won’t be using both fools gt of quickness at the same time. Just need different rune/jewel configuration for different setups.

This post was edited by NumberOneWhirlGirlEver on Jul 24 2025 04:27pm

Also, under almost every scenario, except when using burst of speed In 102 (primarily for vs necro), shadow GCs are preferred over trap GCs. The best way to represent this is:
Primary skills trap GCs scale = LS
8 GCs = 8 skills (room for cube buff which is why not 9x)

Primary skills shadow GCs scale = claw mastery, weapon block, fade, shadow master, venom, mind blast
8 Gcs = 48 skills

48 > 8

So anyone have Fool’s Greater Talons of Quickness with 3ls to sell? ^^
So I should use it as a main hand in both configurations (um um and um ias) and chaos on off hand?
What base for chaos should I looking for? And what should be my rest of gear?
Griffon, Eni, 17fcr amu, 2x fcr rings, trangs, arach, s dancers? What SKS would you recommend tho? Shadow, trap or mixed?

Thank you very much for your reply. I appreciate that!

E: now I see answer about sks. : )

This post was edited by Zoohan on Jul 24 2025 04:47pm

Chaos GT with 3ls/2-3mb/1-3 blade shield or 3ls/2-3wb/1-3 blade shield

Vs nec, trap GCs are preferred.
Vs rest, shadow GCs are preferred. Or at worst, a mixture of trap/shadow

In 65, there are many routes to go, if using a fools gt of quickness I genenraly advise against using highlords, which allows you a lot of gear flexibility when it comes reaching 65fcr because you can use a 2/10fcr or 2/15fcr or 2/20 fcr Ammy depending on rest of gear.

But now we are getting into nuances that would take to long to explain in jsp due to the 1min ish limit in responding back and forth