That's wrong if not a blatant lie.
Nothing has been "flowing" in. The humanitarian crisis and lack of goods and basic nutrition has been a growing concern for several decades.

Complete BS and if they dont want to be partialy blockade they should launching rockets towards civilians

Ah ok. So there was a blockade. Thanks for admitting it. You can argue for reasons behind all of israels actions but nothing has been "flowing in".

Yes it was partial blockade but we didnt stop them from getting food, cars, luxury items etc

If they wanted the blockade lifted all they had to do Is stop launching rockets something they arent capeable of
I can only imagine what would have happen on October 7th if there was no blockade on them.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 22 2025 10:48pm

So your statement is simply not true.
Gaza has been occupied for 4 decades since 1967 with an israeli foot on the throat.
Israel then with drew it's troops from gaza as you mentioned in 2005 but israel never left. They still controlled all the borders and the food and land, air, water and blocked the Gazans for any real chance of independence and self governance.
And if you don't allow that then the only explanation i can come up with that Israel is looking for in Gaza is mindless obedience and subjugation. When you demand those things you will get revolts and violence. You can call it Hamas or any thing else really. It doesn't work. But then again it's not supposed to work is it? It's supposed to be an excuse.

This post was edited by DocPhil on Jul 22 2025 11:00pm

Yes, Israel occupied Gaza from Egypt and held it from1967 to 2005. But in 2005, Israel fully withdrew. It dismantled all settlements, pulled out the military, and left no Israeli presence inside Gaza. That was not a partial step. That was a complete disengagement. Since then, there has been no occupation of Gaza in the legal or physical sense.

What happened next?

Hamas violently seized control in 2007, after winning elections and then purging the Palestinian Authority throwing them from roof tops. Since that moment, Hamas, not Israel, has governed Gaza. They control the courts, the police, the education system, the economy, and the armed forces.

Israel does control the border crossings on its own side, yes. But so does Egypt on the southern border. That is standard when a hostile armed group is in charge next door and fires rockets at civilians. Even so, Israel facilitates the entry of thousands of trucks every week with food, fuel, medicine, and building supplies. This happens even during times of war. There are no restrictions on food, only on items that can be converted into weapons.

The claim that Israel controls the air and sea is partly true. Israel enforces a naval blockade because of the clear and ongoing threat of weapons smuggling. That blockade was reviewed by the United Nations and found to be legal under international law.

Regarding self-governance, Hamas has had full control of Gaza for nearly twenty years. The lack of freedom is not due to Israel. It is due to Hamas turning Gaza into a base for terror instead of a functioning state. They have invested more in rockets and tunnels than in education or infrastructure. That is a choice Hamas made, not Israel.

As for the claim that Israel wants obedience and subjugation, that is not a serious argument. If Israel truly wanted to control Gaza, it would not have left in 2005. And if it wanted to reoccupy Gaza, it would not have allowed a hostile regime to sit there for almost two decades.

The core issue here is not independence. It is security. If Hamas chose peace over war, Gaza could thrive. But Hamas continues to choose violence.

Blockades started before Hamas took power in 2006.
You don't get to control someones air, water and land and restrict their movements and control their supplies and then call it freedom or independence it's not a serious claim.
Your argument that Israel can do worse things (after having occupied you for 40+ years.......) and therefor are benevolent is such a sick argument. "We are stepping on your neck be thankful you can still breathe and be thankful we are not kicking you as well".

I will repeat what I said:
The blockade began in 2007, after Hamas violently seized control of Gaza, not in 2006 and certainly not before. Israel withdrew every soldier and settler from Gaza in 2005. No occupation, no presence. Full exit.

And then what happened?

Instead of turning Gaza into a functioning self-governed entity, Hamas chose to turn it into a military base. Rockets were fired at Israel starting in 2001, even before the withdrawal. That means the aggression began while Israel was still inside Gaza, and it only escalated once Israel left.

Now, to the claim about “controlling air, water, land”, let’s be accurate. Gaza shares a border with Egypt, which also restricts movement in and out. Why? Because Hamas is a terror organization, not a sovereign democratic government. There is no free airport, no seaport, and no full autonomy, not because of some evil Israeli plan, but because the entity ruling Gaza refuses to disarm, refuses to recognize Israel, and continues to fire rockets and build tunnels.

Electricity and water? Gaza gets fuel, electricity, and humanitarian aid through Israel, even during wars. No country in the world would be expected to supply a hostile regime with utilities while being attacked by it. And yet, Israel does.

Saying “Israel steps on their neck and they should be grateful” is cheap rhetoric. Israel left Gaza, and Hamas responded with war. What you call “control” is actually containment. What you call “oppression” is self-defense. And if Hamas changed its approach, Israel would change its posture. It’s that simple

Israel never left gaza. Just look at all the factual evidence. They return to gaza over and over, mowing the lawn. If they truly left gaza they would not do that.

So by the exit Israel had no political sway, no power and left Gaza completely alone. That's absurd and just not true.


So you're helping me a bit here making my point for me. Israel occupied Gaza and there was revolts and ressitance to this occupation and when Israel left the resistance started to grow, because now the army was not breathing as much down the necks of the people they oppress. That kinda makes sense doesn't it?


Yes it's morally bankrupt and disgusting that egypt doesn't take refugees and civilians in. We are not debating Egypt though are we?. We are also not debating whether Hamas is a terror organization. We agree there. Where we disagree, is that Israel gave Hamas full autonomny and freedom to build up Gaza without any interference from Israel. That's just not true.


Why would gaza need that if they had freedom to just build it themselves. Oh right blockades.



No it's not cheap rhetoric your argument that Israel could just flatten Gaza completely and wipe them from the planet if they wanted to is cheap and straight up homicidal.
Containment is control...
Oppression cannot be self defence. Israel cannot claim self defence when they are an occupying force.
If Hamas changes their approach another group of orphans or fathers or mothers or sisters, brothers, cousins, friends will take their place because of Israels occupation. Israel is partly (close to fully) responsible for the circle of violence in Gaza.