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#51
Jul 11 2025 12:01pm
Annual residential Real estate tax evil, am I right? Seen mine shoot up 81% in one year.
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Jul 11 2025 12:03pm
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? Microsoft just laid off thousands to replace them with AI. HEB, Walmart, Target go even further into self check out only. Automotive factories closing. Businesses closing. All stating cost effectiveness.

Naw. I refuse to believe anything the government or news says. I can see with my own eyes by stepping out the house.


This has nothing to do with tariffs and inflation.

I work at a corp that has and still laying people off. You know what it has to do with? 1. Over hiring and getting extremely bloated since Covid, largely fueled by huge government stimulus. and 2. Automation and wholesale process improvements driven by AI.
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Jul 11 2025 01:01pm
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California’s GDP growth in the last 5 years has AVERAGED 1.7% compared to Texas’ 5 year average of 5.8%. California had a good (on paper) 2024 but most economists believe it’s due to bloated tech that will drop off heavily as competition gets thicker.


Citation needed, Google says California GDP grew 6% nominally in 2024 and 7.5% annually from 2021-2024. Real GDP growth subtracting inflation is still much higher than 1.7% in any recent year. Source https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world/

If you don't trust the government, show me your source

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California’s economy is growing at a faster rate than the world’s top three economies. In 2024, California’s growth rate of 6% outpaced the top three economies: U.S. (5.3%), China (2.6%) and Germany (2.9%). California’s success is long-term –the state’s economy grew strongly over the last four years, with an average nominal GDP growth of 7.5% from 2021 to 2024. Preliminary data indicates India is projected to surpass California by 2026.


California would be the 4th largest economy in the world if it were a country by itself (behind US, China, Germany), the state by itself has a higher GDP than all of Japan combined
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#54
Jul 11 2025 02:02pm
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Annual residential Real estate tax evil, am I right? Seen mine shoot up 81% in one year.


texas?? or jersey?
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Jul 11 2025 04:12pm
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texas?? or jersey?


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#56
Jul 11 2025 05:41pm
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We all know when you tax/tariff something the negative result always gets passed down to the consumers/employees in a capitalist economy. I’ve seen people time and time again champion for tariffs or champion for taxing the wealthy more. These are two separate issues championed by two separate political identities that result in the same thing with no logical or even feasible response in how to respond to the inevitable backlash of those actions.

Republicans say “Tariff other countries until we get a fair deal”. Then prices go up on certain goods and people suffer(usually the poorest among us.)

Democrats say “Tax the rich” and in response companies start doing massive layoffs and raising the price of their goods and services.


Let’s be honest for once here. CEOs and Owners of businesses are not going to lower their income or living standards in order to accommodate people they view as “lesser beings”. All of these Tarrif and Taxing the rich plans are idealism at its finest and will never result 100% in the way they are pitched. Could short term success “possibly” happen? Yes. Will long term damage “definitely” happen? Yes.


You do know you can factor these immoral actions into your plans right?
Plenty of countries have fair taxation, if you say "You can pay our royalties without cutting jobs or find some other country with the same level safety and security willing to forgo any revenue" they often listen to reason.
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Jul 11 2025 05:44pm
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Minnesota north shore


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Jul 11 2025 07:12pm
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This has nothing to do with tariffs and inflation.

I work at a corp that has and still laying people off. You know what it has to do with? 1. Over hiring and getting extremely bloated since Covid, largely fueled by huge government stimulus. and 2. Automation and wholesale process improvements driven by AI.


If your job can be replaced by 2025's AI then you were doing nothing of value. I cant even get it to properly string a single line of code correctly in any coding language. And im only just learning to code. Im trying to use it to learn coding and its the worst tool for it that there is.

Not saying that businesses with tens of thousands of workers arent stupid enough to do something like what you described, because they are. But they'll be hiring people back for those jobs or they'll cut the jobs out of the business entirely when they realize that AI isnt capable of doing anything.
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Jul 11 2025 07:37pm
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If your job can be replaced by 2025's AI then you were doing nothing of value. I cant even get it to properly string a single line of code correctly in any coding language. And im only just learning to code. Im trying to use it to learn coding and its the worst tool for it that there is.

Not saying that businesses with tens of thousands of workers arent stupid enough to do something like what you described, because they are. But they'll be hiring people back for those jobs or they'll cut the jobs out of the business entirely when they realize that AI isnt capable of doing anything.


Coding is literally ground zero for ai wrecking jobs. Anthropic and other models with the right coding prompts by senior coders can and already do produce sophisticated code.

I also use ai tools today and it enhances my productivity as it allows me to source/research way faster. And tbh what we call ai today is basically fancy web scraping tools that have become good enough to rehash information, but they’ll get a lot better.

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Jul 11 2025 07:43pm
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If your job can be replaced by 2025's AI then you were doing nothing of value. I cant even get it to properly string a single line of code correctly in any coding language. And im only just learning to code. Im trying to use it to learn coding and its the worst tool for it that there is.

Not saying that businesses with tens of thousands of workers arent stupid enough to do something like what you described, because they are. But they'll be hiring people back for those jobs or they'll cut the jobs out of the business entirely when they realize that AI isnt capable of doing anything.


Skill issue

Monkey-level coders I guess will lose their jobs since a skilled coder can use AI as a tool to do their work on top of their main work 100x faster

This post was edited by El1te on Jul 11 2025 07:44pm
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