Quote (Saurod @ Jul 7 2025 02:07am)

It would be a paradox if he could. Its like the often quoted stone so heavy he cant lift it.

Quote (Saurod @ Jul 5 2025 03:18pm)

Dude, you posted a link to a THEORY. A theory isn't hard science. Learn your stuff, educate yourself and then come back.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Jul 11 2025 02:46pm)

Science, Language, Art, Numbers etc were all conceived/created out of the human mind/consciousness in an attempt to “measure” the “things” around us in what we call qualitative and quantitative data. You don’t have free will you have the illusion of free will(maybe read these big paragraphs and you may learn something). How ironic that Elite is giving you the science and just like in your thread in Science/Technology and nature you said exactly what you claim you didn’t. Science isn’t proven. You are right there too all theories are exactly that “theories”. Repositories of data from mumbling Neanderthals about concepts they can’t grasp.

Like I said that’s why you sound foolish because you yourself aren’t sharing any “scientific data” to support your claim and you are unwilling to even entertain the idea you are dead wrong or at bare minimum don’t “know” what you are talking about you just “think” you do.

To support the other side in that free will to a certain DEGREE does exist. This is because like I said you cannot discuss one without the other they are mutually dependent on each other and inextricably tied.

“All things vary by degree and not of kind, Oneness is the secret of everything”

Try and stop acting. Try and clear your mind of all thoughts. There in the silence you will be one with whatever “God” means to you. Why? Because your mind itself is an illusion and apparatus of the brain which is where the two hemispheres of your brain create all the fantasy to get you to eat/speak/react to the stimuli around you. When you CHOOSE to not eat, not act, not think you are still making a conscious decision up until the moment you “come back down” and have to play your “role as an ego” in order to fit in with the world. That world is an illusion like I said created by humans for humans.

You cannot sit in Samadhi forever and this actually demonstrates free will quite well. Knowing you and God are one and the same only separated by a single thought you suddenly gain a new “purpose” because you were able to differentiate illusion from reality,

Read into philosophical concepts before asking others to explain it to you in two sentences. The answer you seek is buried in a trillion scrolls of ancient Sanskrit but like I said you are too lazy to want to learn. You’ve allowed your disbelief in God and free will to turn you into a pseudo atheist. Good luck with that.

Quote (4nt @ Jul 11 2025 03:04pm)

god is just a theory no proof.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Jul 11 2025 03:11pm)

:rofl: :banana:

Guy said the same thing over in the Science/Tech/Nature sub forum in an atheism thread and then when I explained to him what atheism really is he pretended like he read books upon books on philosophy/religion/culture but I know for a FACT he didn't. How? I read almost every major religious texts and probably a hundred minor philosophies on religions from all regions of the world.

It's honestly pathetic because I was like him once, boastful/ignorant atheist/agnostic attitude and saying things just like he is but eventually I said to myself is what I'm saying actually true through and through or am I just "wishin on a wim". What is atheism? These are questions I asked myself at 19 years old and then I spent the last 16 years studying different religions only to have this dude think his shit don't stink and he knows nothing about the conceptual foundations of atheism.

He keeps telling me I'm typing "paragraphs" that he can't read yet he thinks he has great retention of the core tenets and major philosphers behind atheistic/agnsotic world views. You are right, total clown.

I guess us believers in Jesus Christ go to the root of it all scientifically and spiritually whereas the lazy atheist just laughs on a hill alone speaking in platitudes.

Don't be a lazy atheist ^Saurod I've heard "real atheist" who make concise well construed arguments in lecture halls. You've never been a philosophical lecture hall in your life and it shows.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 11 2025 03:59pm)

i cant help but think its a bot? how some of the arguments are structured and that it cant view vids.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 11 2025 04:37pm)

meh, bullchit
just twice? all the other times 'atheist claim to have read the bible they say 3 times cover to cover. its always been 3 times till now. every time i have tested that claim the 'atheist have failed. not failed 80% or 90% or even 98% but 100% of the time. a astonishing 100% of the time. so i dont believe you. maybe you did some kind of speed readding gimmick on it but i wont even believe that.

then you cant give examples of NO free will just because you think its NO free will.................

science has progressed to a point that it has proven a creator. even the 'atheists have had to make this concession. science has been extraordinarily cruel to the 'atheist

just because God know what your going to do doesnt mean you didnt have a choice.

if you were serious about this claim "...can never trust human senses and perceptions..." you would know not to make final conclusions, its simple reasoning. stuff like this is what gets me thinking your a bot. the whole paragraph is bot gibberish. little wonder people who are having conversations with bots are going coocoo.

you chose not to believe. as already been demonstrated with the "alleged" 'atheist conversation. an excuse can always be found. curious, scripture talks of a "leap of faith" ?

your pride makes you protect what you believe. the fundamental difference between a 'atheist is a 'atheist will say "nothing greater than i" while a creationist will say "there is something greater than i" the difference between the two is light years apart. the 'atheist has the highest level of astonishing arrogance. while the creationist stands in humility.
have you ever been wrong about anything? what was it?

"Instinctual Knowledge " your pride is still making you argue this point. i will say it again. your argument isnt with me it with the scientific papers that use the term.

you wont watch videos either because you cant (bot) or your just not serious about collecting information either way it makes you false.............. irreverent babble

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 11 2025 05:09pm)

how is it a 'paradox' for God to give humans free will?

the commonly quoted stone so heavy thing isn't a defeater btw. No God cannot create a stone so heavy he cannot lift as this is incoherent
omnipotence is the ability to do anything logically possible

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 11 2025 05:22pm)

science relies on induction and therefore cannot prove anything in the way you demand.

science can do nothing but correlate observations, no causal deduction is actually possible with science.


so a scientific theory is the best you will ever get from science.