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Jul 9 2025 05:31pm
we need to have a yearly hunger games where each state sends 2 people and the winners pay no taxes that year.
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Jul 9 2025 06:21pm
Your second paragraph is completely wrong, the opposite is happening by any metric. Blue states are growing at an accelerating rate, they are separating ahead of red states faster than ever before, because of AI. The speed will increase this year and next year

To give some obvious examples, OpenAI and Anthropic are based in CA. Nvidia is CA. Literally the entire AI industry is eating America and it's almost all in CA


Look up California's net migration rate. Companies are leaving because the business environment is punitive and you can attract the same talent to Austin, TX (not that far away) in a far better regulatory climate. For the North-East that's North Carolina, it's not that far away, and the talent comes because their homes are dirt cheap. California and New York have no competitive advantage over the alternatives long-term. You will see headquarters and their employees move out. The demographic shift south has been happening in America for generations now.

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Look up California's net migration rate. Companies are leaving because the business environment is punitive and you can attract the same talent to Austin, TX (not that far away) in a far better regulatory climate. For the North-East that's North Carolina, it's not that far away, and the talent comes because their homes are dirt cheap. California and New York have no competitive advantage over the alternatives long-term. You will see headquarters and their employees move out. The demographic shift south has been happening in America for generations now.


You are claiming that there is an economic migration, but reality does not match your words. Compare California's economy in 2024 to 2025 (or look from 2023, or any year in the last 20 years)

You can say anything you want, but the reality is that CA companies are gaining money faster than companies in red states.

Nvidia by itself added the value of Texas's entire economy (every company in Texas combined) in the last 2 years
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You are claiming that there is an economic migration, but reality does not match your words. Compare California's economy in 2024 to 2025 (or look from 2023, or any year in the last 20 years)

You can say anything you want, but the reality is that CA companies are gaining money faster than companies in red states.

Nvidia by itself added the value of Texas's entire economy (every company in Texas combined) in the last 2 years


Imagine comparing states off NVIDIAS bloated valuation....yikes
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Jul 9 2025 06:59pm
Imagine comparing states off NVIDIAS bloated valuation....yikes


California's economy is so large you could remove Nvidia's bloated valuation and it still dwarfs the economy of any other state

The point is to show that just 1 California company by itself is worth more than the entire economy of Texas right now. Nvidia might be overvalued (same for Tesla) but there are many companies in California of similar size
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Jul 9 2025 07:12pm
Texas is out pacing California on gdp growth rate as well.

It’s just a prediction but as I said I think Texas will overthrow California. Maybe sooner than we expect. I highly expect Apple and Google to leave Cali. Nvidia I don’t know but I do expect their stock to slip as more competition to them continues to pour in by the masses around the world.
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You are claiming that there is an economic migration, but reality does not match your words. Compare California's economy in 2024 to 2025 (or look from 2023, or any year in the last 20 years)

You can say anything you want, but the reality is that CA companies are gaining money faster than companies in red states.

Nvidia by itself added the value of Texas's entire economy (every company in Texas combined) in the last 2 years


Compare California's GDP and Texas's GDP in 2000. Now compare it to today. What's the trend?

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Nvidia said in a post on its website that it has started Blackwell production at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. chip plants in Phoenix. The Santa Clara, California-based chip company is also building supercomputer manufacturing plants in Texas— with Foxconn in Houston and Wistron in Dallas.

Nvidia’s AI super computers will serve as the engines for AI factories, “a new type of data center created for the sole purpose of processing artificial intelligence,” the company said, adding that manufacturing in the U.S. will create “hundreds of thousands of jobs and drive trillions of dollars in economic security over the coming decades.”

Mass production at both plants is expected to ramp up in the next 12 to 15 months, Nvidia said. The company also plans on partnering with Taiwan-based company SPIL and Amkor for “packaging and testing operations” in Arizona.


Nvidia was founded in the 1990s. There's nothing holding Nvidia to California. California used to be business friendly. That future is behind them. They're not building manufacturing plants in California, and for good reason.
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Jul 10 2025 03:19am
We gone teach them never ending hunger of the consuming Amaricans some lessons in minimalism.

Brazil don't worry, the Netherlands will sell it for you
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Jul 10 2025 02:41pm
California's economy is so large you could remove Nvidia's bloated valuation and it still dwarfs the economy of any other state

The point is to show that just 1 California company by itself is worth more than the entire economy of Texas right now. Nvidia might be overvalued (same for Tesla) but there are many companies in California of similar size


Dude take Silicon Valley out of Cali.

Dude take geographical proximity to cheap asian labor(Japan/China/South Korea/Vietnam/etc) and give it all to Idaho gee I wonder what would happen?

California is little China now.

California does produce a lot of raw goods(the only thing your state is good for). Food.

No one wants Googles/NVIDIA's/META's/ETC. product it is shoveled down all of our throats in the name of "AI". I could lose my phone and internet forever tomorrow and be totally fine. Your state would go belly up quicker then a Kardashian.

edit: I'll never understand this dude and guys like who think California is the ONLY state doing anything based on numbers and data sets so skewed and non based in reality it really proves Californians are drinking their own koolaid. Only a backwards dumbass state with hooligans for citizens believes this shit and im from Illinois where people I know believe in rainbows and unicorns.

I would NEVER say my state is "better" then another state regardless of the metric being used. We are a union. We stand as one. Cali cucks suck big giant monkey balls. Imagine rooting for your country to fail basically because you are so blinded by your own ego

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Jul 10 2025 02:54pm
Dude take Silicon Valley out of Cali.

Dude take geographical proximity to cheap asian labor(Japan/China/South Korea/Vietnam/etc) and give it all to Idaho gee I wonder what would happen?

California is little China now.

California does produce a lot of raw goods(the only thing your state is good for). Food.

No one wants Googles/NVIDIA's/META's/ETC. product it is shoveled down all of our throats in the name of "AI". I could lose my phone and internet forever tomorrow and be totally fine. Your state would go belly up quicker then a Kardashian.

edit: I'll never understand this dude and guys like ^gnarjay who think California is the ONLY state doing anything based on numbers and data sets so skewed and non based in reality it really proves Californians are drinking their own koolaid. Only a backwards dumbass state with hooligans for citizens believes this shit and im from Illinois where people I know believe in rainbows and unicorns.

I would NEVER say my state is "better" then another state regardless of the metric being used. We are a union. We stand as one. Cali cucks suck big giant monkey balls. Imagine rooting for your country to fail basically because you are so blinded by your own ego


Lol so much coping

You're right that if you remove silicon valley (a relatively small area with nearly the entire GDP of Texas by itself), then California's economy would not be much larger than other states. Nice analysis.

I never said California is better or worse than any state. It has the largest economy by far which is an objective fact. It has many other problems including massive inequality, but economy and money are areas where California dwarfs every other state.
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