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Jul 7 2025 11:43am
The word you are looking for is instincts.


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now you see all knowledge is not just acquired but is present at birth
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Jul 7 2025 11:45am
good :)
now you see all knowledge is not just acquired but is present at birth


Except instincts arent knowledge and cant be equated with knowledge. They are fundamentally different things, even though they can sometimes lead to similar outcomes.

Knowledge is learned or consciously accessible. It is based on experience, education, observation, reasoning or communication. You f.e. know that fire is hot because you either learned it or experienced it. Knowledge can be consciously recalled and explained.

Instincts are innate, unconscious behavior patterns. They do not have to be learned.
For example, a baby instinctively sucks on the breast without knowing what food is.

What we talk about here in this topic has nothing to do with instincts. Not even close, buddy.

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Except instincts arent knowledge and cant be equated with knowledge. They are fundamentally different things, even though they can sometimes lead to similar outcomes.

Knowledge is learned or consciously accessible. It is based on experience, education, observation, reasoning, or communication. You f.e. know that fire is hot because you either learned it or experienced it.

Instincts are innate, unconscious behavior patterns. They do not have to be learned.
For example, a baby instinctively sucks on the breast without knowing what food is.

What we talk about here has nothong to with instincts. Not even close, buddy.







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Jul 7 2025 11:57am
pathetic nonsense


You will never make any sense.

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Religous faith is believing something without any possibility of evidence for or against the claim since the claim itself is by definition supernatural and operates outside of the natural universe. This means we cant gather data for or against the claim. That is religious faith. Its without reason.

Faith/Believe in the natural sense of the word is either based on experience or is based on likelyhood combined with importance of the issue.

For example:

If I have faith in my abilities then I mean I trust myself based on previous experience. So I have a reason to trust myself.

Other example: If you tell me you got 10 bucks in your wallet, I believe you. The reason is that its a very ordinary claim and I have no reason to think you would lie about having 10 bucks in your wallet. Also, its not of importance.

If you would say you have a billion bucks on your bank account, I wouldnt believe it without reason to believe it aince the claim is not ordinary anymore.

I am sure you also know one principle of gun safety, which is: Every gun is always loaded, right? This makes a lot of sense as long as its not your weapon and it needs to be used. If a burglar breaks into your home and you get your gun to stop him, you wont rely on that principle anymore. You'll check if its ready because the occasion has changed.

If I believe theres no free will, I believe it based on the evidence for or against that claim. I thought about it and all I find is things that point towards no free will. I cant come to any line of thoughts that would lead to free will either with or without religion.

The reason why I dont watch videos you post is because I talk to you and not dudes in a video. If an important message is in a video, just tell me. Its not hard.

And to your "Yes?" let me quote yourself if I may:

You wrote: "How do you know its aquired passive knowledge and it wasnt passed to me by other means"

Passed to you by other means is also aquired passive knowledge, so what you wrote made no sense.


atheists have a bad habit defining how and what others believe. for now i am just going to reject you definitions of faith, i want a source. we have sources so we can all be on the same page. other wise we have everyone making up chit out of their imaginations.
i define faith as trust
faith
[fāTH]
noun
complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
Similar:
trust
belief
confidence
conviction
credence

trust
[trəst]
noun
firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something:
"relations have to be built on trust" · "they have been able to win the trust of the others"
Similar:
confidence
belief
faith
sureness
certainty

the process is simple. i read the scripture. i test the scripture. the scripture passes the test. i began to have faith/trust in the scripture

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If I believe theres no free will, I believe it based on the evidence for or against that claim. I thought about it and all I find is things that point towards no free will. I cant come to any line of thoughts that would lead to free will either with or without religion.

i havent heard any good arguments for this. i betting 'atheists are just mind gaming them selves.
i remember a conversation between two atheists and how they could explain anything away. one bit of nonsense went something like this.
"would you believe if Jesus showed up and said "believe in me"
'atheist: i would think i was having a delusion"
"would you believe if God wrote in the stars "i am God believe in me"
'atheist: "i would think the aliens are trying to trick me"

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The reason why I dont watch videos you post is because I talk to you and not dudes in a video. If an important message is in a video, just tell me. Its not hard.

do you have any real reason not to watch videos i post. perhaps your hard of hearing ?
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Jul 9 2025 11:36am
Change my mind is a funny phrase to say without free will, I admit that*lol

So, before I will challenge you to discuss this with me, let me say that it doesnt matter if you are religious or not. REAL free will in the sense of the word or in the sense of the meaning we give the phrase doesnt exist from both perspectives in my opinion.


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Jul 9 2025 12:56pm
Entirely depends on one's wealth.


Could you eleborate on that?
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Jul 9 2025 01:12pm
Free will can exist and not exist simultaneously that's the beauty of existence itself it has infinite expressions that mean different things likely across the entire perceivable universe. The idea that humans have even a remote understanding of the world around them is laughable at best and that's why all the assertations you are making and the platitudes you are spitting out don't make logical sense when in the grand scheme of things you are nothing but dust in the wind and so are your "beliefs/bias/etc.etc."

"You" as an "ego" don't exist and neither do the names of all beings who've ever breathed air on this planet. God alone exists therefore God alone is "acting". We are merely the instrumentation. The sponges with which God feels itself/himself/herself and that thing we all call "consciousness" is shared and exists simultaneously and goes on into perpetuity forever and ever and as physics has proven without a shadow of doubt, "Matter is neither created nor destroyed it is simply changing states".

So too is the way of the human being. Only the tendencies of mankind remain and "reincarnate" not the actual "people/name/ego" which is why so many religious and even non religious cultures understand this.

Present in all those great stories of spiritual teachers, cultures, and generational wisdom is the fundamental notion that only in the HUMAN body in the HUMAN form can one even contemplate such matters.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God. Why? The human mind had not yet established itself over the dominion of man and all things prior were ONE with God(whatever God is).

This is explained through the allegory of Adam and Eve when Eve "bit of the tree of knowledge" only to find herself then SEPARATE from God. These are all deeply symbolic ways of understanding existence itself.

Free will? You were born free only your mind keeps you bound here.

edit: So yes there is no such thing as free will only the illusion of it but does not the illusion give way to action itself making the two mutually interdependent?

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