guys try not to use the trigger words. attack the argument, not the person.

in the meantime:



This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 8 2025 02:46pm

There is multi-layered evidence including first-person accounts, medical findings, forensic documentation, and international investigations supporting that rape and sexualized torture were used during and following the October 7 attack. These findings are being formally presented for possible legal action against Hamas.

https://news.sky.com/story/widespread-sexual-violence-took-place-during-hamass-7-october-attacks-report-by-israeli-experts-says-13394006?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostage-recounts-sexual-assault-gaza-captivity-nyt-2024-03-26/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-sexual-violence-weapon-war-63c4f657e4389ac2aaf51d79343da8ec

No one but Hamas apologist are even debating this

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 8 2025 02:57pm

We have a right to eradicate Hamas and thats exactly what we are doing.

Sexual violence in the context of war is well documented. We should not deny that any soldier, whether belonging to Hamas or the Israeli military, is capable of it. But the shaky reporting around Oct. 7, coupled with the lack of equal care and concern for the sexual violence experienced by Palestinian women in Gaza and that occurs inside Israeli prisons, should raise alarm bells.

So i do not deny rape could of happened..I doubt hamas used it as a weapon is all on oct 7 as some try to claim

It is quite frustrating that I give you the courtesy of not responding to your posts but you do not reciprocate. Its a microcosm for the wider issue whereby Israel does not subscribe to the notion of tit for tat. Without further ado: Israel has bombed Gaza into the stone age. And by your own framing, the 25,000 Hamas fighters are really 2.3 million — what you’ve referred to as “Hama-Palestinians,” or more bluntly, “barbarians” or “orcs.”. If that’s the premise, then of course killing and maiming tens of thousands becomes not a tragedy but a tactical necessity. It's not collateral damage — it’s cleansing. Now we’re hearing about a plan to concentrate 600,000 people into a so-called “humanitarian city” in Rafah — a fenced, surveilled, highly controlled zone no one can leave. Not orcs. Not fighters. Just people. What does that look like to you in five years? Ten? Because to me, this isn’t a solution. It’s a pressure cooker. And when it blows, as it inevitably will, the cycle repeats — another war, more dead, and the same righteous speech about the need to "eradicate."

And the rest of Gaza? will it be settled ? hmmm methinks so and this will be called,seizing land by right of conquest.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 8 2025 04:36pm

The purposeful erasure of Palestinian suffering coupled with the constant framing of Palestinians as dangerous, vindictive savages reinforces the “us versus them” approach to public safety that essentially supports the apartheid state. If Palestinians are “animals” and “beasts” as Israeli leaders have repeatedly said, Israel is justified in its ability to kill, maim, incarcerate, and rape any Palestinian.
Security—paired with the racialization of the natives as savages who inherently want to violate the female population—has always been used by colonizers to justify the slaughter, exclusion, and incarceration of Indigenous populations. When prison abolitionists say that Palestine is the litmus test for progressivism, this is what they mean. It is true that women suffer violence at the hands of patriarchy, it is also true that women’s safety is a serious concern policymakers must contend with. But relying on carceral and punitive measures to deal with this very real issue gives too much power to incarcerate, kill, and maim anyone a state or occupation deems dangerous to white women.

The difference is clear: what Hamas did on October 7 wasn’t incidental or alleged it was policy. We saw the footage, we heard the intercepted calls, and we know the victims’ testimonies. This wasn’t the spontaneous act of a few rogue fighters, it was a calculated massacre meant to terrorize, humiliate, and provoke.

Hamas never expected to defeat the IDF they knew a devastating Israeli response would follow. That was part of the plan. They rely on civilian suffering in Gaza to serve as a propaganda weapon, knowing that global media and Western academic circles will rush to frame them as victims, no matter what they do.

Equating that with vague, unverified accusations against Israeli soldiers while ignoring the overwhelming evidence of Hamas’s atrocities isn’t a call for justice. It’s moral relativism at its worst

Your entire response is a rhetorical smokescreen designed to blur the lines between aggressor and victim.
on October 7, Hamas invaded Israeli territory, slaughtered entire families, raped women in front of their children, burned babies alive, and kidnapped over 250 civilians. This wasn’t a rebellion, it was a pogrom. And yes we absolutely have the right to eradicate the group responsible.

No one is “racializing” Palestinians. What’s being condemned is Hamas a designated terrorist organization that uses its own people as human shields, embeds rocket launchers in schools and hospitals, and treats death as a PR tool. Pretending that criticism of Hamas is somehow an attack on all Palestinians is intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.

Furthermore, comparing the dismantling of a genocidal terror group to “colonialism” is obscene. Israel is not a colonial power. The Jewish people are indigenous to the Land of Israel this is not Belgium in the Congo or Britain in India. This is a fight for survival against an enemy that openly vows to wipe us off the map.

As for your attempt to connect prison abolitionism, gender violence, and the Palestinian cause: it’s pure ideological opportunism. You’re not standing up for women or justice you’re just finding excuses to sanitize atrocities committed by a misogynistic Islamist regime. There is no “progressive” defense for rape, mutilation, or child murder.

Hamas started this war with a massacre. Israel is defending itself not “cleansing” anyone. Civilian casualties are a tragic consequence of Hamas’s choice to embed itself in homes, schools, and hospitals. That’s not genocide, that’s urban warfare under impossible conditions.

You talk about “orcs” and “Hama-Palestinians” but after October 7, when thousands celebrated, filmed, and supported the atrocities, pretending this is about 25,000 isolated fighters is dishonest. Not every Gazan is Hamas, but Hamas governs with broad complicity.

As for Rafah, Israel didn’t want civilians there it had to create a safe zone because Hamas turned the rest of Gaza into a battlefield. Blame the group that uses its own people as shields.

“conquest” argument? Again? Really? Its simply False. Israel left Gaza in 2005. Hamas could’ve built a future instead, they built terror tunnels. Now they’re reaping what they sowed, This is not a cycle of “tit for tat”
it’s one side trying to live, and the other side trying to annihilate. If you’re angry that Israel is fighting back with force, maybe you should re-examine why you’re defending the group that started this war by massacring civilians in their homes. The real question is: What do you expect a nation to do when its children are burned alive in their beds? Apologize for surviving?

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 8 2025 11:56pm

The allegation of widespread sexual violence against Jewish women is often used to dissuade groups from speaking out in support of Palestine. The implication is that every man in Gaza is a rapist and therefore deserves to die, and that feminist and women’s organizations calling for the end of the occupation are abandoning Israeli survivors of rape.
This conclusion necessitates a complete erasure of Palestinian suffering, including Palestinian women and men who have been victims of sexual violence perpetrated by the Israeli military or inside Israeli prisons. These war crimes are not given the same weight as the allegation of mass rapethat supposedly took place on Oct. 7, despite actual evidence and documentation.

This post was edited by doomchaser on Jul 9 2025 12:30am