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In America, you will get shot for stealing a dirt bike worth less than $2,000.

But you can't seem to understand why Arabs want to kill "Israelis", after they stole their land and violated those people for over 50 years.

Hamas isn't going anywhere. There's plenty of new recruits who are just civilians sick of the bullshit. Any dude with balls in Palestine is going to want to pick up a gun. Nothing to do with jihad lmao

It was always the muslim side who started the conflicts, because they can't accept that Israel exists.
Besides; there are around 50 muslim countries on the world, the jews may have one too.



And of course hamas isn't going anywhere, because people with compassion, nations through international aid, and terrorism-funding states like Iran and Qatar sending literal billions of dollars there, which money those degenerates use to buy more weapons, more rockets, and build more terror tunnels. hAmas takes control of every aid that goes in, and which Palestinians get money and food?! Those who take arms, and kill jews. The so called "starvation" is all on hamas as well. And of course people join in, since they have no other options. hAmas kills everyone who cooperates, taking aid directly from the enemy and not them (there are also plenty of videos about that). And they blame that as well on Israel.

But you sound like a divide-widening, bullshit spreading automated script... especially with your "people get shot in the US for a $2k dirt bike" line which i dont even know how comes here into this discussion.



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I am just going to sidestep the above posts.

I don't fully understand what Israel's plan for Gaza is. Israel has said its 3 goals are:

1. Release of the remaining hostages, dead or alive - This is achievable
2. Destruction of Hamas’s Military and Governance Capabilities - The Israeli's in this thread can speak more to the extent to which Hamas Military Capabilities have been destroyed. But what of Hamas Governance Capabilities ? Can someone educate or inform me on this point?
3. Permanent Reordering of Gaza - Again, I welcome anyone, and I really do mean ANYONE, providing some commentary as to "The Plan" because I dont see one.
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These examples have been described in detail by:

UNESCO / UNRWA internal reviews

Israeli monitoring groups (e.g. IMPACT-se)

Academic researchers (e.g. Dr. Nathan Brown, Dr. Daniel Bar-Tal)

Journalistic investigations (BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera at times)

Below are concrete samples drawn from actual textbooks or teacher guidelines in Gaza or Palestinian Authority areas—but note that Hamas in Gaza often uses PA textbooks and supplements them with its own materials in school activities or religious classes.

✅ 1️⃣ Martyrdom glorification
Example (Grade 8 Palestinian textbook in Gaza):

“Hearing [the martyr's] news makes hearts stronger...
Their blood waters the soil of liberation.”

✅ Students asked to memorize a poem praising martyrdom.
✅ Framed as the highest honor one can achieve.
✅ Teachers instructed to discuss martyrs as role models.

✅ 2️⃣ Maps erasing Israel
Example: Social Studies maps for 5th–8th grade:

Entire territory labeled “Palestine”, no Israel shown.

Jerusalem marked only as “capital of Palestine.”

Text says:

“Palestine is Arab and Islamic from the river to the sea.”

✅ No mention of Israel’s existence or borders.
✅ Teaches students to view all of Israel as occupied territory to be “liberated.”

✅ 3️⃣ Jihad language
Example (10th grade textbook):

“Jihad is a duty for every Muslim.
Defending Muslim lands is an obligation.
The Zionist enemy must be fought until victory.”

✅ Students prompted to explain the meaning of jihad in their own words.
✅ Framing is not purely defensive but explicitly about fighting Israel as “enemy.”

✅ 4️⃣ Demonization of Jews
Example (religion textbook, Grade 9):

“The Jews betrayed the Prophet...
Their nature is treachery and betrayal.
They deserve humiliation and misery.”

✅ Students asked to identify “traits of the Jews” from the text.
✅ Not distinguishing Israeli Jews from Jews in general.
✅ Classical antisemitic tropes taught as religious fact.

✅ 5️⃣ Praising violent “resistance”
Example (Grade 7 Arabic textbook):

“We will defend our land with blood...
The rifle is our symbol...
Resistance is the path to victory.”

✅ Students write essays or poems praising armed resistance.
✅ Teachers guide discussion on why violence is justified.
✅ Nonviolent options often not presented.

✅ 6️⃣ Martyr posters and supplementary Hamas materials
Apart from formal PA textbooks, Hamas-run schools in Gaza often add their own materials:

✔️ Posters of local “martyrs” killed fighting Israel.
✔️ Classrooms decorated with pictures of Hamas leaders.
✔️ Events commemorating suicide bombers as heroes.
✔️ School assemblies where kids chant slogans like:

“Death for Palestine is life!”
“We are the soldiers of the resistance!”

✅ 7️⃣ Recent monitoring reports
IMPACT-se 2023 review of PA textbooks used in Gaza:

80+ instances of antisemitic language.

100+ instances of violence-glorifying content.

No real examples of peace education or recognition of Israel.

✅ Hamas schools often intensify this by:

Supplementing with Hamas-produced booklets.

Using mosques as “education centers” to teach Quran verses interpreted as orders to fight Jews.

Military-style training in summer camps.

✅ 8️⃣ Hamas Summer Camps
While not textbooks, these are core to Hamas education:

Uniformed drills for kids aged 8–16.

Teaching use of toy weapons or even real rifles.

Anti-Israel chants and songs.

Lessons framing Jews as eternal enemies.

Senior Hamas commanders visiting to give speeches.

✅ One 2019 Hamas camp booklet instructed kids:

“Your goal is to liberate all of Palestine with jihad.”

✅ 📜 Summary of themes
✅ Erasure of Israel from maps.
✅ Glorification of martyrdom and violence.
✅ Demonization of Jews as inherently treacherous.
✅ Framing jihad as an individual duty.
✅ Symbolic use of weapons in education.
✅ No real mention of peace, compromise, or coexistence.

📚 SOURCES / DOCUMENTATION
If you want to read these primary sources and analyses, here are reliable leads:

✔️ IMPACT-se reports (2020–2023 editions):

“Review of Palestinian Authority Textbooks”

Available at impact-se.org

✔️ UNESCO / UNRWA internal audits (partial):

Admitted concerns about “problematic content” (though UNRWA uses slightly modified versions in its own schools).

✔️ Al Jazeera coverage (surprisingly frank sometimes):

Especially investigative segments on Hamas summer camps.

✔️ Human Rights Watch reports:

Describes use of child soldiers in Gaza.

✔️ Academic studies:

Daniel Bar-Tal’s research on Israeli and Palestinian textbooks.

Nathan J. Brown, Palestinian Politics after the Oslo Accords.


This is great, can you do something like this for Israeli education ? or should I ? This is what I found at first glance, I welcome your input to supply further information on this subject:

there have been significant studies examining Israeli education, particularly regarding how it portrays Palestinians and the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One notable study is the 2013 report titled "Portrayal of the Other in Palestinian and Israeli Schoolbooks: A Comparative Study", conducted by Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University, Bruce Wexler of Yale University, and Sami Adwan of Bethlehem University. This study was funded by the U.S. State Department and involved a comprehensive analysis of textbooks from both Israeli and Palestinian schools.
washingtonpost.com+3latimes.com+3theguardian.com+3
Key Findings of the Study

Portrayal of the "Other":

Israeli Textbooks: Approximately 49% of references to Palestinians were negative, depicting them as enemies or threats.

Palestinian Textbooks: Around 84% of references to Israelis were negative, portraying them similarly as enemies or occupiers.

Both sets of textbooks often omitted or minimized the other's historical narratives and perspectives.
timesofisrael.com+1latimes.com+1
latimes.com

Maps and Geography:

Israeli Textbooks: 76% of maps did not delineate boundaries between Israel and Palestinian territories, implying that Palestinian areas were part of Israel.

Palestinian Textbooks: 94% of maps failed to show Israel, labeling the entire area as "Palestine."
washingtonpost.com+1theguardian.com+1

Representation of Historical Events:

Israeli textbooks included some self-critical content, such as references to the Deir Yassin massacre.

Palestinian textbooks occasionally depicted instances of cooperation or coexistence, though these were less common.
latimes.com

Peace and Coexistence:

Both Israeli and Palestinian textbooks largely ignored or inadequately addressed themes of peaceful coexistence, tolerance, and mutual recognition.
latimes.com

Criticisms and Reactions

Israeli Response: The Israeli Ministry of Education criticized the study, labeling it "unprofessional" and "profoundly unobjective."

Palestinian Response: Palestinian officials welcomed the study, viewing it as an opportunity to highlight the need for educational reforms that promote coexistence and mutual understanding.
npr.org
timesofisrael.com

Additional Scholarly Work

Nurit Peled-Elhanan's Research: In her book "Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education", Peled-Elhanan, a professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, argues that Israeli textbooks often portray Palestinians in a biased manner, depicting them as terrorists or primitive figures. She contends that this representation dehumanizes Palestinians and prepares Israeli youth for military service with an indifference to Palestinian suffering.

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This is great, can you do something like this for Israeli education ? or should I ? This is what I found at first glance, I welcome your input to supply further information on this subject:

there have been significant studies examining Israeli education, particularly regarding how it portrays Palestinians and the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One notable study is the 2013 report titled "Portrayal of the Other in Palestinian and Israeli Schoolbooks: A Comparative Study", conducted by Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University, Bruce Wexler of Yale University, and Sami Adwan of Bethlehem University. This study was funded by the U.S. State Department and involved a comprehensive analysis of textbooks from both Israeli and Palestinian schools.
washingtonpost.com+3latimes.com+3theguardian.com+3
Key Findings of the Study

Portrayal of the "Other":

Israeli Textbooks: Approximately 49% of references to Palestinians were negative, depicting them as enemies or threats.

Palestinian Textbooks: Around 84% of references to Israelis were negative, portraying them similarly as enemies or occupiers.

Both sets of textbooks often omitted or minimized the other's historical narratives and perspectives.
timesofisrael.com+1latimes.com+1
latimes.com

Maps and Geography:

Israeli Textbooks: 76% of maps did not delineate boundaries between Israel and Palestinian territories, implying that Palestinian areas were part of Israel.

Palestinian Textbooks: 94% of maps failed to show Israel, labeling the entire area as "Palestine."
washingtonpost.com+1theguardian.com+1

Representation of Historical Events:

Israeli textbooks included some self-critical content, such as references to the Deir Yassin massacre.

Palestinian textbooks occasionally depicted instances of cooperation or coexistence, though these were less common.
latimes.com

Peace and Coexistence:

Both Israeli and Palestinian textbooks largely ignored or inadequately addressed themes of peaceful coexistence, tolerance, and mutual recognition.
latimes.com

Criticisms and Reactions

Israeli Response: The Israeli Ministry of Education criticized the study, labeling it "unprofessional" and "profoundly unobjective."

Palestinian Response: Palestinian officials welcomed the study, viewing it as an opportunity to highlight the need for educational reforms that promote coexistence and mutual understanding.
npr.org
timesofisrael.com

Additional Scholarly Work

Nurit Peled-Elhanan's Research: In her book "Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education", Peled-Elhanan, a professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, argues that Israeli textbooks often portray Palestinians in a biased manner, depicting them as terrorists or primitive figures. She contends that this representation dehumanizes Palestinians and prepares Israeli youth for military service with an indifference to Palestinian suffering.


When we learned about the Deir Yassin massacre, the teacher presented the story by assigning different roles to us as participants from both sides. At first, we were told that we were the ones who were massacred, and naturally, we all got upset. But then the teacher revealed that it was actually the opposite that we were the ones who carried out the massacre.

The Israel education system cant be compared with the Palestinian hate education.
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When we learned about the Deir Yassin massacre, the teacher presented the story by assigning different roles to us as participants from both sides. At first, we were told that we were the ones who were massacred, and naturally, we all got upset. But then the teacher revealed that it was actually the opposite that we were the ones who carried out the massacre.

The Israel education system cant be compared with the Palestinian hate education.


just to clarify, anything can be compared, you can compare a banana with the universe, but obviously there are few similarities.
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Jul 6 2025 12:23pm
This is great, can you do something like this for Israeli education ? or should I ?

It was there, you're just too lazy to read - and instead choose to hop on catchy slogans like "from the river to the sea.." while you wouldnt even be able to name from which river to which sea you're talking about, and what does that even mean.
You think if the western conservatives dont support islam; then it must be good - but in fact you support a hyperconservative, religiously fascist political ideology with it, which is way worse than our own western conservatives.
Edit: and what i found also interesting when talking to westerners who support islam is that they have zero idea about what islamists mean when they say "cleanse the land from corruption"... i guess you also has no idea what they mean by "corruption", because their definition of it is way different than ours.

The fight against this hyperconservative, religiously fascist political ideology could be the one which unites western Left and Right - because islam despises both democracy, and liberalism, and the whole West altogether.
But instead of uniting we fight each other, while the islamists taking over in unity - military style.

So:

✅ PART 2: Israeli schoolbooks—comparison
Israeli curricula have been repeatedly reviewed too, including by UNESCO, UN, and Palestinian-Israeli joint commissions. They do contain nationalist narratives, but key differences have been documented:

✅ 1. Recognition of Palestinians
✔️ Israeli state textbooks explicitly name Palestine or “Palestinian Authority” on maps.
✔️ Include discussion of Oslo Accords, two-state solution.
✔️ Acknowledge Palestinian claims and identity.

Example (Israeli 9th Grade Civics Book):

“The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is over land claimed by both peoples. A two-state solution has been proposed.”

✅ 2. No calls for violence
✔️ No explicit calls for jihad, martyrdom, or killing Palestinians.
✔️ No poems praising death or blood sacrifice.

✅ 3. Negative depictions exist but without dehumanizing
✔️ Israeli history books describe Arab attacks, wars, terrorism.
✔️ Use terms like “enemy” or “terrorist organizations,” but not “traitorous race” or “inherently evil.”
✔️ No mention of “cursing” or “humiliating” Arabs as religious obligation.

✅ 4. Peace agreements taught
✔️ Israeli textbooks cover Camp David Accords, Oslo Accords, Israel-Egypt peace, Israel-Jordan peace.
✔️ Teach about negotiations and treaties.

Example (Grade 10 Israeli History):

“Israel signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, returning Sinai. The Oslo process aimed to achieve peace with the Palestinians.”

✅ 5. Maps
✔️ Israeli maps show Green Line (pre-1967 borders) with dispute noted.
✔️ Include West Bank, Gaza, label Palestinian Authority areas.
✔️ Some right-leaning publishers do erase borders, but these are not government standard.

📚 SOURCES FOR FURTHER READING
✅ IMPACT-se – Reports on Palestinian Textbooks
✅ Israeli Ministry of Education (curriculum online in Hebrew)
✅ UNRWA internal audits (summaries available in UN documentation)
✅ UNESCO and Georg Eckert Institute studies on textbooks
✅ Daniel Bar-Tal: Shared Narratives in Israeli and Palestinian Textbooks
✅ Nathan J. Brown: Palestinian Politics after the Oslo Accords


Besides.. how do you make peace with people who raise their children with eternal hatred from age zero, and know nothing but destruction until they get what they want (which is destroying Israel completely)?!

The UN partition plan was accepted by jews, but the arabs attacked Israel. The arabs lost and since then they start new wars over and over again, failing miserably.

And it is a lie that there was no jews before 1947 in the area. There were always jews there. It is true that in the early 1900's many jews migrated, but lived peacefully - even in friendship with local arabs, but some of them saw the jews as a threat, so the conflicts started... at around 1920 the Haganah was founded (the "IDF" at the time) to protect jewish communities. But the conflicts escalated, and after the 1929 Hebron massacre (where muslims murdered jews based on mere rumors that the jews want to take control of the Temple Mount); the Irgun was founded.. which was more radical - and as you can guess, things escalated even more.

The muslims say the jews have no right to have their ONLY ONE country in the whole world there (while they have at least 50) - despite the fact that the UN partition plan was clear about a Palestinian and a Jewish state.
BUT if the jews have no right for the land there, then how come Pakistan for example have a right to exist?! Pakistan was carved out of India at the same time Israel was created - the brits left both places (in turmoil, cuz wwii made them bankrupt) without ensuring and overseeing the partition procedures. But if Israel has no right to exist, then so does Pakistan have no right to exist. Interestingly nobody is talking about that, because it does not fit in the islamofascist propaganda which seems like infested even DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM valuing western minds as well.

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It was there, you're just too lazy to read - and instead choose to hop on catchy slogans like "from the river to the sea.." while you wouldnt even be able to name from which river to which sea you're talking about, and what does that even mean.
You think if the western conservatives dont support islam; then it must be good - but in fact you support a hyperconservative, religiously fascist political ideology with it, which is way worse than our own western conservatives.

✅ PART 2: Israeli schoolbooks—comparison
Israeli curricula have been repeatedly reviewed too, including by UNESCO, UN, and Palestinian-Israeli joint commissions. They do contain nationalist narratives, but key differences have been documented:

✅ 1. Recognition of Palestinians
✔️ Israeli state textbooks explicitly name Palestine or “Palestinian Authority” on maps.
✔️ Include discussion of Oslo Accords, two-state solution.
✔️ Acknowledge Palestinian claims and identity.

Example (Israeli 9th Grade Civics Book):

“The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is over land claimed by both peoples. A two-state solution has been proposed.”

✅ 2. No calls for violence
✔️ No explicit calls for jihad, martyrdom, or killing Palestinians.
✔️ No poems praising death or blood sacrifice.

✅ 3. Negative depictions exist but without dehumanizing
✔️ Israeli history books describe Arab attacks, wars, terrorism.
✔️ Use terms like “enemy” or “terrorist organizations,” but not “traitorous race” or “inherently evil.”
✔️ No mention of “cursing” or “humiliating” Arabs as religious obligation.

✅ 4. Peace agreements taught
✔️ Israeli textbooks cover Camp David Accords, Oslo Accords, Israel-Egypt peace, Israel-Jordan peace.
✔️ Teach about negotiations and treaties.

Example (Grade 10 Israeli History):

“Israel signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, returning Sinai. The Oslo process aimed to achieve peace with the Palestinians.”

✅ 5. Maps
✔️ Israeli maps show Green Line (pre-1967 borders) with dispute noted.
✔️ Include West Bank, Gaza, label Palestinian Authority areas.
✔️ Some right-leaning publishers do erase borders, but these are not government standard.

📚 SOURCES FOR FURTHER READING
✅ IMPACT-se – Reports on Palestinian Textbooks
✅ Israeli Ministry of Education (curriculum online in Hebrew)
✅ UNRWA internal audits (summaries available in UN documentation)
✅ UNESCO and Georg Eckert Institute studies on textbooks
✅ Daniel Bar-Tal: Shared Narratives in Israeli and Palestinian Textbooks
✅ Nathan J. Brown: Palestinian Politics after the Oslo Accords


Besides.. how do you make peace with people who raise their children with eternal hatred from age zero, and know nothing but destruction until they get what they want (which is destroying Israel completely)?!

The UN partition plan was accepted by jews, but the arabs attacked Israel. The arabs lost and since then they start new wars over and over again, failing miserably.

And it is a lie that there was no jews before 1947 in the area. There were always jews there. It is true that in the early 1900's many jews migrated, but lived peacefully - even in friendship with local arabs, but some of them saw the jews as a threat, so the conflicts started... at around 1920 the Haganah was founded (the "IDF" at the time) to protect jewish communities. But the conflicts escalated, and after the 1929 Hebron massacre (where muslims murdered jews based on mere rumors that the jews want to take control of the Temple Mount); the Irgun was founded.. which was more radical - and as you can guess, things escalated even more.

The muslims say the jews have no right to have their ONLY ONE country in the whole world there (while they have at least 50) - despite the fact that the UN partition plan was clear about a Palestinian and a Jewish state.
BUT if the jews have no right for the land there, then how come Pakistan for example have a right to exist?! Pakistan was carved out of India at the same time Israel was created - the brits left both places (in turmoil, cuz wwii made them bankrupt) without ensuring and overseeing the partition procedures. But if Israel has no right to exist, then so does Pakistan have no right to exist. Interestingly nobody is talking about that, because it does not fit in the islamofascist propaganda which seems like infested even DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM valuing western minds as well.


your 100% right, i didnt look at your 2nd post at all. well done and i completely apologize.
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your 100% right, i didnt look at your 2nd post at all. well done and i completely apologize.

yeah, i apologize too that i answered too harshly

i was just having these conversations over and over again, and sometimes i feel like i fighting a windmill battle, because the islamic propaganda works with thousands of scripts all over every social media, catchy slogans, and easy to memorize one liners... and debunking all the bullshit takes time, and hits way less people, since everyone just want catchy slogans and one liners...
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yeah, i apologize too that i answered too harshly

i was just having these conversations over and over again, and sometimes i feel like i fighting a windmill battle, because the islamic propaganda works with thousands of scripts all over every social media, catchy slogans, and easy to memorize one liners... and debunking all the bullshit takes time, and hits way less people, since everyone just want catchy slogans and one liners...


To be fair people want israel to stop committing a genocide.
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To be fair people want israel to stop committing a genocide.


Israel is not committing genocide, and using that word to describe any war where civilians are killed cheapens its meaning.
If and when a real genocide happens, people won’t take it seriously anymore.
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