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I'd rather believe that free will exists and be wrong than believe in determinism. Although from a philosophic perspective I can understand why people make the argument that free will doesn't exist. I like to consider what is the practical purpose to denying human's free will?

It seems to me that the believers in determinism want a way to excuse their errors, justify their evil doing, and give up any responsibility.

So as a moral argument: You should attempt to live your life as if free will exists. And just because you understand free will exists it doesn't deny that truth that there are circumstances nobody can control.


Believing something isnt a choice, its the conclusion I draw through logical observation. I believe what makes the most sense to me. Doesnt mean its true, just means its the result that I ended up with and what is therefor most likely true for me. Again, believing something cant be a choice.
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What made you interested in those two topics


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Any specific life event that triggered this or
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A faith based believe doesnt have a scientific or logic foundation. Also people with religious beliefs are acting like what they believe is a fact.

I told you all WHY i believe there is no free will and added "change my mind" because I wanted to discuss the topic. I told you all why I believe there is no free will without god and also why I think there is no belief with god.

Instead of counter arguments you guys say stuff like "but you post here, who forced you to do so?" or "I know what my sister does, so I am god as well".

You guys cant argue against my points and therefor you act like I act like its a faith based belief.

I dont believe this like a religious person believes, I thought about it and came to this conclusion as the most plausible one.

Also, its not the end of all possibilities for me. Science is a path to truth.



lets try to consolidate a bunch of this stuff

tell me what faith is

how come its only atheists that "come to the conclusion" no free will?

i have no issues with science if its properly done. i have offered science before in my arguments

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So you cannot understand that theres a different between a normal human being who is just a tiny part of this world and god?
You do not see why your aquired passive knowledge of something that will happen is different from god, who has not aquired the knowledge, but IS the knowledge. God know things from himself and not from another source. He doesnt not gain knowledge, he always had it. Which means he is the reason why the things he knows are happening, he makes them happen . Do you understand that? Or do you not?
God doesnt suddenly hear about things you will do, he always knows them cause he does them.


how do you know its "aquired passive knowledge" and it wasnt passed to me by other means.
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Believing something isnt a choice, its the conclusion I draw through logical observation. I believe what makes the most sense to me. Doesnt mean its true, just means its the result that I ended up with and what is therefor most likely true for me. Again, believing something cant be a choice.


making a choice after considering available data isnt making a choice?

choice
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an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities:

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making a choice after considering available data isnt making a choice?

choice
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an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities:


How is believing something a choice? You believe something or you don't. Maybe you can talk yourself into something you wanna believe, sure. You could then maybe call it a choice in a way? If you tell it to yourself long enough to believe it at some point then fine. Maybe its a choice in that case, I dont know. Not how I would ever do it tho.

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lets try to consolidate a bunch of this stuff

tell me what faith is

how come its only atheists that "come to the conclusion" no free will?

i have no issues with science if its properly done. i have offered science before in my arguments



how do you know its "aquired passive knowledge" and it wasnt passed to me by other means.


The word Faith and religious faith are two different things. So what do you want me to tell you?

What science did I do inproperly? Or what thoughts of mine are flawed? I listen to what you say, lets talk about it.

Atheists are way more open minded, thats why they see no free will as a likely possibility. Bible says god gave humans free will. End of discussion. Thats why.

Passed to you by other means = aquired

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Just because have no understanding about anything and dont have any ability to discuss the topic doesnt mean god or anyone else will close this thread for you.


The one who claims we don't have free will is saying I don't have any understanding/ability to discuss the topic?

It's about free will. This particular topic is as simple as free will is (insert definition) and you have it. Case closed.

You're no different than a flat earther and a troll.

The thread is 100% a troll topic and needs to be closed. Find a topic that requires having an intelligent debate/discussion because this just isn't it.

Edit: It would be different if you had this conversation in the style of hypothetical. If you genuinely believe free will doesn't exist you have a problem and you lack basic understanding of what free will is. If you were curious on "let's say free will didn't exist what's your theory" that would be different.

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The one who claims we don't have free will is saying I don't have any understanding/ability to discuss the topic?

It's about free will. This particular topic is as simple as free will is (insert definition) and you have it. Case closed.

You're no different than a flat earther and a troll.

The thread is 100% a troll topic and needs to be closed. Find a topic that requires having an intelligent debate/discussion because this just isn't it.

Edit: It would be different if you had this conversation in the style of hypothetical. If you genuinely believe free will doesn't exist you have a problem and you lack basic understanding of what free will is. If you were curious on "let's say free will didn't exist what's your theory" that would be different.


A Flat Earther argues against proven facts, while you just act as if I do that too because you have no clue. You are out of your element here.

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