Just because have no understanding about anything and dont have any ability to discuss the topic doesnt mean god or anyone else will close this thread for you.

curious part of all this? its no less faith based than any other belief?

A faith based believe doesnt have a scientific or logic foundation. Also people with religious beliefs are acting like what they believe is a fact.

I told you all WHY i believe there is no free will and added "change my mind" because I wanted to discuss the topic. I told you all why I believe there is no free will without god and also why I think there is no belief with god.

Instead of counter arguments you guys say stuff like "but you post here, who forced you to do so?" or "I know what my sister does, so I am god as well".

You guys cant argue against my points and therefor you act like I act like its a faith based belief.

I dont believe this like a religious person believes, I thought about it and came to this conclusion as the most plausible one.

Also, its not the end of all possibilities for me. Science is a path to truth.

This post was edited by Saurod on Jul 5 2025 08:03am

your telling me God knows what your going to do therefore no free will? by the same reasoning if you know what some one is going to do wouldnt that make you a god?

do you even know what faith is?

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My fascination for philosophy and for the great question of life.

So you cannot understand that theres a different between a normal human being who is just a tiny part of this world and god?
You do not see why your aquired passive knowledge of something that will happen is different from god, who has not aquired the knowledge, but IS the knowledge. God know things from himself and not from another source. He doesnt not gain knowledge, he always had it. Which means he is the reason why the things he knows are happening, he makes them happen . Do you understand that? Or do you not?
God doesnt suddenly hear about things you will do, he always knows them cause he does them.

This post was edited by Saurod on Jul 5 2025 09:19am

Also have you ever heard things like "its all part of god's plan", "it happened for a reason" or "god works in mysterious ways" when things happen?

Thats what religious people say, not me. A lot of religious people talk like that and think that god has worked it all out since...well forever. Thats what a lot of people actually believe. They might be right, who knows.

This post was edited by Saurod on Jul 5 2025 09:42am

I'd rather believe that free will exists and be wrong than believe in determinism. Although from a philosophic perspective I can understand why people make the argument that free will doesn't exist. I like to consider what is the practical purpose to denying human's free will?

It seems to me that the believers in determinism want a way to excuse their errors, justify their evil doing, and give up any responsibility.

So as a moral argument: You should attempt to live your life as if free will exists. And just because you understand free will exists it doesn't deny that truth that there are circumstances nobody can control.

What made you interested in those two topics