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Jul 4 2025 09:22am
In the history of science, this was widely believed as it was accurate to the present level of understanding - however, this began to fall apart after the dawn of quantum mechanics.

Before the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, it was scientifically correct to say that if the position and momentum of every particle in the universe was known, the past, present and future could be predicted with absolute (analytical) accuracy. This was known as determinism (the theory you champion here) This was proven to be false as there exists an intrinsic uncertainty with respect to position and momentum on a very small but non-zero order.

In practical terms, this is demonstrated by the many body problem. The energy levels of any atomic system with more than one electron cannot be analytically determined - it can only be approximated. The energy levels of the hydrogen atom, and the He+ ion, Li++ ion, etc. can be precisely determined but nothing with 2 or more electrons, this is because electrons interact with each other (repel) and the intrinsic uncertainty of the position and momentum of one has an impact on the energy level of the other.

This means the brain is not deterministic. It's random at best. But we also know that the hypothetical free will of a person is not random, which means scientifically that there must be an unaccounted-for transcendental property of the brain, commonly known as a soul.


The non-deterministic values of quantum mechanics are not proven. Thats a theory. Many scientists suspect deterministic values we cant measure. Also, Soul is absolutely not a scientific term at all.
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Jul 4 2025 09:23am
Because "strong willed" is a term without value if free will doesnt exist.


I agree, that's what I'm trying to say though - if the people who exhibit the properties which could be "erroneously" considered to be "strong willed" (those that recognize and capitalize on the Will to Power as explained by Nietzche), by your theorem, are those people not simply determined to be superior?
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The non-deterministic values of quantum mechanics are not proven. Thats a theory. Many scientists suspect deterministic values we cant measure. Also, Soul is absolutely not a scientific term at all.


You're just talking out of your ass.

Go ahead and disprove it. If you can, collect your Nobel prize and worldwide accolades and go down in history as one of the greatest minds of human history.

Or dont.
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Jul 4 2025 09:24am


I am familiar with it. My question is: Did you read it youself? Its a theory.
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You're just talking out of your ass.

Go ahead and disprove it. If you can, collect your Nobel prize and worldwide accolades and go down in history as one of the greatest minds of human history.

Or dont.


I cant disprove it. Never said I can. Can you prove it? If you can get your nobel prize a d worldwide accolades.

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I am familiar with it. My question is: Did you read it youself? Its a theory.


Do you any scientific education whatsoever?
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Jul 4 2025 09:26am
I agree, that's what I'm trying to say though - if the people who exhibit the properties which could be "erroneously" considered to be "strong willed" (those that recognize and capitalize on the Will to Power as explained by Nietzche), by your theorem, are those people not simply determined to be superior?


No, because "Superior" grants them values they dont have.
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Jul 4 2025 09:27am
Do you any scientific education whatsoever?


What does that have to do with anything here? Stay on topic.
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I cant disprove it. Never said I can. Can you prove it? If you can get your nobel prize a d worldwide accolades.


Then read about it and understand it. Because you evidently have zero understanding of what the uncertainty principle even is. The vast majority of people do not, because it's very high level logical thinking.

You can read the original papers if you want to yourself. Your incapability of understanding the argument and advanced mathematics is not an argument that it is incorrect, it's a demonstration of your ignorance.
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Jul 4 2025 09:29am
What does that have to do with anything here? Stay on topic.


It has to do with your ability to understand arguments. If you don't understand anything, any discussion is futile.

This is a really simple case here. Your "theorem" is bunk as it's trivially disproven by already figured out things.
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