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Jul 4 2025 08:54am
"no free will" has been a common enough argument 'atheists use. as a excuse i guess for "not believing" its not their fault?
if a person didnt have free will they couldnt change their mind. there is even a song written about it
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Question - if free will does not exist, does that mean that the strong willed are fundamentally superior people?
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Jul 4 2025 09:11am
Change my mind is a funny phrase to say without free will, I admit that*lol

So, before I will challenge you to discuss this with me, let me say that it doesnt matter if you are religious or not. REAL free will in the sense of the word or in the sense of the meaning we give the phrase doesnt exist from both perspectives in my opinion.


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Question - if free will does not exist, does that mean that the strong willed are fundamentally superior people?


No it doesnt.
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Jul 4 2025 09:13am
Question - if free will does not exist, does that mean that the strong willed are fundamentally superior people?


He will need someone to force him to reply since he can't choose to do so himself.

We shall see once his puppet master arrives.
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Free Will Exist But the Consequences may slightly Defer. B)
"no free will" has been a common enough argument 'atheists use. as a excuse i guess for "not believing" its not their fault?
if a person didnt have free will they couldnt change their mind. there is even a song written about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j0SuY4n6Ic


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The brain works in deterministic ways. Which means free will is fiction.


In the history of science, this was widely believed as it was accurate to the present level of understanding - however, this began to fall apart after the dawn of quantum mechanics.

Before the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, it was scientifically correct to say that if the position and momentum of every particle in the universe was known, the past, present and future could be predicted with absolute (analytical) accuracy. This was known as determinism (the theory you champion here) This was proven to be false as there exists an intrinsic uncertainty with respect to position and momentum on a very small but non-zero order.

In practical terms, this is demonstrated by the many body problem. The energy levels of any atomic system with more than one electron cannot be analytically determined - it can only be approximated. The energy levels of the hydrogen atom, and the He+ ion, Li++ ion, etc. can be precisely determined but nothing with 2 or more electrons, this is because electrons interact with each other (repel) and the intrinsic uncertainty of the position and momentum of one has an impact on the energy level of the other.

This means the brain is not deterministic. It's random at best. But we also know that the hypothetical free will of a person is not random, which means scientifically that there must be an unaccounted-for transcendental property of the brain, commonly known as a soul.

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No it doesnt.


Why?
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Because "strong willed" is a term without value if free will doesnt exist.
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