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Jul 4 2025 07:27am
Change my mind is a funny phrase to say without free will, I admit that*lol

So, before I will challenge you to discuss this with me, let me say that it doesnt matter if you are religious or not. REAL free will in the sense of the word or in the sense of the meaning we give the phrase doesnt exist from both perspectives in my opinion.

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Jul 4 2025 07:39am
Change my mind is a funny phrase to say without free will, I admit that*lol

So, before I will challenge you to discuss this with me, let me say that it doesnt matter if you are religious or not. REAL free will in the sense of the word or in the sense of the meaning we give the phrase doesnt exist from both perspectives in my opinion.


How does one person not have the ability to make their own decisions?
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Jul 4 2025 07:46am
How does one person not have the ability to make their own decisions?


Well how DOES a person have the ability to do so? Tell me your view and I'll tell you why it doesnt work in my opinion.

I agree that it certainly feels like it, which is probably good enough to be real from a humans perspective. I dont feel like a puppet on a string either. I think our free will is as real as the Matrix from the movie is a real world. Its good enough to feel real, right? So who cares...you can certainly see it like that and I wont blame you.

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So you are asking if you have a brain that you think with? or a programed brain that dictates your actions? pre boot camp free will.. after boot camp programed with a list of commands to follow.. pre you may have a conscious to consider what you do..After you can just say you were following orders B). If you want some help to rewire your brain try psychedelics like mescaline, psilocybin, and various synthetic compounds. These drugs can disrupt normal brain activity, leading to altered perceptions and sensory experiences ;)
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Jul 4 2025 07:51am
How does a person have the ability to do so?

I agree that it certainly feels like it, which is probably good enough to be real from a humans perspective. I dont feel like a puppet on a string either. I think our free will is as real as the Matrix frlm the movie is a real world. Its good enough to feel real right. So who cares?


You have free will because you do?

If you want a glass a water and went and filled up a cup of water you did so because you have the free will to do so.

The matrix is not based off our true reality. It's a fictional movie.
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Jul 4 2025 07:57am
So you are asking if you have a brain that you think with? or a programed brain that dictates your actions? pre boot camp free will.. after boot camp programed with a list of commands to follow.. pre you may have a conscious to consider what you do..After you can just say you were following orders B). If you want some help to rewire your brain try psychedelics like mescaline, psilocybin, and various synthetic compounds. These drugs can disrupt normal brain activity, leading toaltered perceptionsand sensory experiences ;)


I certainly do have a brain to think with. That is not what I am asking.

But what I think is determined by the laws of nature .Which are deterministic. So whatever I do is in theory calculatable if you had infinite ressources and the most ridiculous computer of all time. Which we will never have. If you are making a religious claim, the argumentation is different of course.
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You have free will because you do?

If you want a glass a water and went and filled up a cup of water you did so because you have the free will to do so.

The matrix is not based off our true reality. It's a fictional movie.


The brain works in deterministic ways. Which means free will is fiction.
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Jul 4 2025 08:02am
The brain works in deterministic ways. Which means free will is fiction.


Lol, I'm gonna move on. This is kindergarten level material you are trying to debate against. (That is if your thread is serious, which i hope not).

God gave you free will and you are in control of your decisions.

I guess the force of nature took your hands and forced you to make this thread. Good luck, Pinocchio.


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Jul 4 2025 08:03am
Lol, I'm gonna move on. This is kindergarten level material you are trying to debate against. (That is if your thread is serious, which i hope not).

God gave you free will and you are in control of your decisions.

I guess the force of nature took your hands and forced you to make this thread. Good luck, Pinocchio.


Fair enough, so how can god give us free will, if he is omnipotent? I am thrilled to hear.

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