even if he is wrong , would you still want an Iranian regime that teaches its own todlers about martyrdom being the highest act you can perform and killing jews , across its children television channels ?

This was a quick ai search to gather the main issues I wanted to point out. I guess you feel ai isn't reliable.

I've done quite a bit of research on this these past couple of weeks.

I know where I stand on this position. Iran has proceeded to fund terrorist organizations, has violated agreements in reference to JCPOA and with them having the goal of having nuclear weapons is not okay and I'll stand by any country that would aim to prevent them from having one. I am okay with them having a peaceful limitation in order for them to have certain things for their people, but never for weapons of war. They crossed the line and if the first set of attacks weren't enough then the US should definitely strike again.

I would want to ensure all nuclear positions Iran stands on currently that exceed the 3.67% to be removed from existence.

If Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons then you might as well go ahead and start digging you grave in your back yard.

no. of course not. but has the US not painted Iran for decades as evil? even though Iran never invaded anyone? Iran's proxy wars against Israel speaks for itself. This ability needs to be stopped. At the same time there are alot of western countries that do bad things, and we let them get away with it. What is so special about Iran that we have to give them this attention?





The problem is that what the US is doing is forcing countries to get a nuclear deterrent to stop the likes of the US and Israel bombing them.

Nothing wrong with a deterrent that allies can rely on. There is absolutely no point to continue any nuclear development anywhere in the world for nuclear weapons. Your point you are getting at has nothing to do with preventing Iran from gaining access to this type of weapon. Allowing Iran or other countries in support of terrorist organizations to gain access to this type of weapon is not allowed for obvious reasons.

I'm amazed that you are even taking an approach to defending Iran in this particular case. The strikes that occurred were necessary and should continue if Iran decides to continue to try and enrich high enough with the goal of creating nuclear weapons to start a war.

If you lived in Greenland or Canada, and the US president said that he was going to take your country over. And he started diplomatic talks with you, only to then bomb your army. if you had the means, would you try to get a nuclear deterrent ? I am just trying to properly debate the ramifications of what we have seen. Whether its Iran, Greenland or Canada, the principal persists.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 30 2025 12:04pm

Iran is neither Greenland nor Canada. It’s not a peaceful, neutral country minding its own business it’s an aggressive regional power that arms, funds, and commands multiple terror proxies across the Middle East. Iran isn’t pursuing a nuclear deterrent for defense it’s doing so while actively threatening neighbors, destabilizing the region, and calling for the destruction of another sovereign state. That’s not deterrence, that’s escalation

Why are we using a hypothetical?

The point of a deterrent is defensive and Iran aims for using nuclear for offensive purposes.

Let's stay realistic and use information we already have please.

i dont think its smart for any nation to attempt to get a nuke in modern day. and that's likely a good thing. north korea is that last "successful" nation that managed it, and to accomplish it they had sanctions that were so bad their population is something like 5" shorter on average than south koreans. and they had to build an insane amount of missiles pointed directly at Seoul and Tokyo to even avoid getting invaded once they started their program. so you have to be running a deathcult willing for half of your population or more to die in order to even earnestly try.

I'd say the rational thing to do would be to submit, not to march down a futile path of war

Many cultures have been destroyed & lost because they were too proud to submit, which is a tragedy

This post was edited by El1te on Jun 30 2025 02:29pm

Not even the first page of PaRD.

Middle East gonna Middle East, nobody cares