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Jun 24 2025 01:16pm
pakistan warns israel now ...If israel uses nukes.. Pakistan will use nukes on them.. Escalation to world war 3 is what going on here.. Israel needs to change regime..Take it away from racist zionist lunatics ..And just give it to Anyone else .. a religious group is to crazy and hateful to other religions ..Only way for peace
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Jun 24 2025 01:23pm
Nope, here's my post again. Notice how I didn't insult you and I don't mention Trump. Keep flailing please


That just confirms my post, you're trying to justify ad hominem

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Jun 24 2025 01:23pm
well since i don't play d2\d2:r anymore, this will be my last comment in d2jsp. this website is irrelevant to me for years.

iv been in this forum section for maybe 2-3 topic in regard of Israel, obviously.

i will post some feedback for the ones who are interested in a local\real point of view, im not gonna reply back.
some are my own opinions, some are facts. i will state FACT if it's not based on my own point of view, or if i can't prove it.
im not trying to convince anyone here. i honestly don't care, just posting one comment and im out.

im in my 40's , got a son in the IDF , a daughter in high-school, served in a combat role for over 10 years in the IDF, my wife served over 6 years as an officer in the Israeli navy.

Gaza-Israel issue:

from statistics, post-Oct 7 the majority of Israelis like myself ( Secular Jews, including Traditional-Secular ) who actually makes the majority of the country, are 100% against ANY solution that is based on giving land to the people of Gaza. already did that in Ariel Sharon days, tried it, received only rockets since then.

FACT: Hamas is a dead pony. the organization as a terror organization who was once well.. organized as such is now done. it's an empty shell only alive because it holds they key for the Israeli hostages. stating it as a fact, because i have my own IDF sources. yes, they can use booby traps and fire a missile once in while
but they are done. yet the problem remains ( hostages ) and i believe that now after the conflict with Iran, it will be sealed in a matter of weeks.

FACT: Gaza is one of the most complex, problematic, dangerous places on earth for military warfare. no army on planet earth could have done anything better than the IDF, Palestinian casualties included.

FACT: Palestine never existed. no such a country, no such economy, no Palestinian president, nothing at all. the term is pointless, rose up by the terrorist Yasser Arafat and pump-up by the ugly side of the left, liberals and idiots who supports the idea without understanding there is no idea. most of those people are Jordanians or Egyptians.

FACT: as an Israeli i live, work and walk among Arabs. some parts in our country are more populated with Arabs ( Muslims \ Christians ) or Druze ( northern Israel ) and i can tell you this: all of us live happily, work happily and say good morning how are you ? thanks, bye now. there are absolutely no issues with most* of Israelis, and most* of Arabs from within.
whatever sources you have, please stay away from those lies if the truth matters to you.
now why is that relevant ? because some idiots are thinking that if one minister in our government is stating: "let's nuke Gaza" - this means that the entire Israeli population is in agreement with this silly nonsense that some men say. iv seen similar cases in this forum actually in Israel-related topics, and it shows me that outsiders are unfamiliar with anything related to Israel.

how will this end ? my own point of view: some bodies won't be found for years, some hostages will rerutn alive, some bodies will return and Hamas will no longer be relebant in Gaza. in regard of the people in Gaza : some will leave by choice, others - hard to say. i don't see Israel forcing out anyone, i do hope that the Egyptians will find responsibility and take some in.
will there be a two state solution ? no.
will Gaza be a part of Israel ? no.

Iran - Hezbollah - Houthis - Israel issue:

il try to sum it up the shortest way i can.

Hezbollah was the main right hand of the Iranian regime. as it's proxy, the most lethal out of them, it was supposed to act as a shield for the Iranian regime.

FACTS:
- Hezbollah : is gravely crippled and deterred. what Israel achieved in months, was to cut the hands and feet of the organization to the point they didn't fire one missile in the Iran-Israel 12 days conflict.
the entire ranking-tree of the organization was vaporized to ashes, including the moral after taking out Nasrallah. they will never recover.

- Houthis : are like a mosquito at night in your ear. the major issue is intelligence in their controlled-area. while they are not a serious issue, they are a problem to solve.

- Iran-Israel conflict : Iran is a paper tiger. what their regime is posting to the Iranian people : "Tel Aviv is in ashes" , "the truce was the consequence of the barrage on the American base in Qatar" etc..
now everybody knows they are coordinated with the U.S the entire thing to make them look like a threat. thier ego and honor is more important than anything else.
Israel controlled the entire conflict, and i mean by a LONG shot.
Israel's targets were only the regime's.
Iran targets - 94% of the hits including murdering Israelis were on civilian buildings in urban cities. we are talking about missiles with 400-1000 KG of explosive warheads that they aim to urban cities.
Israel intercept rate is around 85% for missiles and 99% for drones.
it is unknown exactly how many fails the Iranian had ( for Ballistic Missiles ), but obviously we do know that they had missiles not reaching Israel and crashing in Iran or exploding on the way up.
Israel is protecting all of it's civilians both passively and actively, closing the entire state ( schools, kinder-gardens , shops etc.. )
Iran don't need to, since we never aimed for populations... they could care only for the regime sustain to last another decade, never for the people in Iran

Cease-Fire:
FACT: it was Iran's way out , since Israeli bombing started to take a MAJOR toll on the regime, and im being generous here,, iv seen some shit i can't and wont post.. our air force literally made judgments those bases
Israel didn't touch oil or civilian infrastructure
they lost a LOT of assets, some are very very strategic in the ballistic missiles manufacturing
the Americans aided with the big bombs or those big mountains - ye il give them credit for their easy part in this


the bottom line - we are a nation that was once surrounded by enemies and it narrowed in time. we take care of business, we are not crybabies like a lot of other countries who never been in out situation.

like it or not we are here, you can't do anything about it - only to whine about it.
there is no such thing as Palestine. never was.
goodbye take care.


Thank you for providing your personal experience. it is always useful - for anyone - to hear from people who actually live a different reality, regardless of whether one agrees with said world view or not. Ultimately we are not there. Be well in life.
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Jun 24 2025 01:26pm
No it's not. Given his history it's credible to the argument to not take his word has gospel on this subject. Likewise, to further add credibility, he has immense pressure to convey success regardless of outcome given his previous stance in foreign engagements given the greatest win possible for the USA is essentially well he did exactly what he said he wouldn't but at least we're not sucked into a needless multi year war pissing USA money away in a fruitless effort.


"Given his history" is the ad hominem fallacy. It dodges the substance of the argument in favour of attacking their character which is irrelevant to the substance of the argument.

If anyone has lost all credibility it's the Trump haters. Zero credibility

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Jun 24 2025 01:33pm
"Given his history" is the ad hominem fallacy. It dodges the substance of the argument in favour of attacking their character which is irrelevant to the substance of the argument.

If anyone has lost all credibility it's the Trump haters. Zero credibility


Credibility of information is directly tied to If in fact the strikes were sufficient to eleminate or set back the program decades.

Lack of historical credibility makes it relevant and not an adhom fallacy and not a distraction from the original argument.


Again you are welcome to exercise little to no skepticism of this man. That's your business.

We may see significant subsequent information that provides support of either direction at this point however. I simply put choose not to without failure immediately agree or believe in all things that leave trumps mouth. That's all. You call that TDS so be it.

This post was edited by SBD on Jun 24 2025 01:35pm
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Jun 24 2025 01:34pm
"Given his history" is the ad hominem fallacy. It dodges the substance of the argument in favour of attacking their character which is irrelevant to the substance of the argument.

If anyone has lost all credibility it's the Trump haters. Zero credibility


Elite build a bridge man, let it goooo.
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Jun 24 2025 01:47pm
Cracks me up. 12 hours we will stop fighting promise...2 min later pew pew pew gotta make the most of those 12 hours
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Jun 24 2025 02:02pm
That just confirms my post, you're trying to justify ad hominem


reality check for the sleepers worldwide:
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Jun 24 2025 02:15pm
I'm not sure unless we see clear cut evidence we will actually know the result.

There's such so much difference between reporting right now. Some call it significant setbacks some articles reference preliminary classified US reports indicating it failed and only set them back months at most due to lack of damage to the underground.

Iran will say all good. USA has to say mission accomplished.
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