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Jun 23 2025 06:21pm
Yes, to my understanding, as should any other lobby group for a foreign nation (I dont know the precedent here)


I agree that they should; however, currently AIPAC is not required to do so. They also spent $100 million during the 2024 election.

JFK was the last President to earnestly pursue them registering, back when they were the AZC (American Zionist Council).
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Jun 23 2025 06:27pm
I agree that they should; however, currently AIPAC is not required to do so. They also spent $100 million during the 2024 election.

JFK was the last President to earnestly pursue them registering, back when they were the AZC (American Zionist Council).


I've heard that, it seems to me they should be required, but we all know that Israel has a disproportionate influence in US politics with many people have dual loyalties.

From a little searching it looks like the Canadian American Business Council (Canada lobby group?) is not registered either, so I don't really know the precedent on this one or the specifics (mind you I consider Canada to be the same country & not foreign while Israel is more foreign)
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Jun 23 2025 06:58pm
I've heard that, it seems to me they should be required, but we all know that Israel has a disproportionate influence in US politics with many people have dual loyalties.

From a little searching it looks like the Canadian American Business Council (Canada lobby group?) is not registered either, so I don't really know the precedent on this one or the specifics (mind you I consider Canada to be the same country & not foreign while Israel is more foreign)


CABC, per a cursory Google search, reported no spending on the 2024 election, and only $40,000 on lobbying in general for 2024 overall.
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CABC, per a cursory Google search, reported no spending on the 2024 election, and only $40,000 on lobbying in general for 2024 overall.


That certainly changes things. $100 million is undoubtably foreign influence in the election and should certainly be vetted through FARA

Kinda sad how Canada as a neighbour and most similar country gets shafted for a country in the Middle East.

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I was tempted to put this in its own topic, and I may still, will see what the situation is like in 6 months time. in the meantime:

Taking a step back from the individual conflicts and viewing the situation more broadly, it appears increasingly likely that we are heading toward a major international escalation involving multiple nations. These individual flashpoints increasingly resemble waystations on a trajectory toward a larger, more destructive confrontation.

In Ukraine — where the U.S. and European countries continue to provide military support, which some characterize as fueling a proxy war against Russia — it is only a matter of time before Germany deploys the Taurus missile system. Such a move would mark yet another red line crossed, following the provision of Patriot missiles, tanks, F-16s, as well as the UK’s Storm Shadow and France’s SCALP cruise missile systems.

Recent rhetoric from Germany underscores a more militant posture. A leaked high-level Bundeswehr memo described Russia as an “existential risk” to Germany and Europe. Regarding the Middle East, Chancellor Friedrich Merz has openly supported Israel’s actions against Iran, stating in a recent interview that Israel is doing the “dirty work” for Germany. He also explicitly stated on June 23, 2025, that he saw no reason to criticize the recent military actions taken by Israel and the United States against Iran. This clear endorsement reflects Germany’s shift toward a more assertive foreign policy aligned with U.S. and Israeli positions.

Since Angela Merkel’s departure, Germany has rapidly abandoned its post–World War II posture of restraint and now appears fully aligned with U.S. foreign policy. Germany has repeatedly signaled a willingness to support military action on multiple fronts. It is not alone in this endeavor. The UK and France, while more cautious in rhetoric, are rapidly expanding their military forces. This trend is echoed across NATO, with traditionally non-aggressive states like Japan and Australia now following suit. Some analysts have drawn parallels between today’s military buildup and the geopolitical tensions of the 1930s—though the historical contexts differ.

In the Middle East, the United States and Israel’s objectives risk further intensifying the conflict. Donald Trump has openly called for regime change in Iran and described the country's Supreme Leader as an “easy target” for assassination—signaling a dangerous disregard for international norms. Meanwhile, speculation continues to mount over how far the U.S. and Israel are willing to escalate their attacks. A particularly critical flashpoint is the Bushehr nuclear power plant, notable both for its civilian status and for its involvement with Russia. Although Washington and Tel Aviv have given Moscow assurances that Bushehr will not be targeted, recent developments have cast serious doubt on the credibility of these promises. In light of their actions and rhetoric, both the U.S. and Israel can no longer be regarded as reliable actors. Any strike on Bushehr would almost certainly be seen by Russia as the crossing of a major red line—with unpredictable consequences.

The root issue in all of these conflicts is that the United States and Israel follow doctrines that emphasize overwhelming or disproportionate retaliation against perceived threats or enemies. Combined with the Western bloc's refusal to condemn provocative actions by their allies—and instead support them—these strategic postures make it increasingly likely that localized conflicts, whether in Eastern Europe or the Middle East, could escalate rapidly into a broader war. At present, the pace of developments seems to be outstripping the ability of any major power to fully control or contain them.

This dynamic is compounded by a deep structural bias within Western political and media ecosystems. The prevailing narratives in the U.S. and Europe systematically frame allied actions as justified, while adversaries are portrayed as uniquely illegitimate. Even when faced with clear violations of international law by Western powers, officials dismiss these concerns outright. For example, during a pre-summit NATO press conference, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte was asked whether the U.S. bombing campaign against Iran undermined the West’s moral authority in condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Rutte rejected the premise entirely, insisting that no international law had been violated by the United States. This categorical denial—despite legal scholars and foreign diplomats expressing grave concerns—highlights how deeply entrenched the Western immunity to self-critique has become.

Looking ahead, the ongoing conflicts in Gaza and the West Bank are increasingly overshadowed by the realization that a major international confrontation may be imminent. The U.S. political landscape offers no clear off-ramp. With bipartisan consensus on confronting perceived enemies and a deeply entrenched defense establishment, Washington appears to be accelerating toward a more aggressive, militarized global posture. The United States increasingly views China as a strategic threat. Whether that threat is economic, military, or ideological matters less than the reality that Washington is preparing for confrontation — and expects its allies to come along.

Finally, in an ironic twist, Pakistan has nominated Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.



This aged well.
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Jun 23 2025 08:51pm
he is so so so so so fucking stupid

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he is so so so so so fucking stupid

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All I see is a good thing.

:huh:
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Jun 23 2025 09:29pm
The libertarian faction has lost all credibility. All they do is spread hysterical fearmongering that is unhinged from reality.

Its all a grift to generate clicks, "libertarian" anti-war (really anti-strength I would say) people are not serious people. Peace through strength is the only thing that works, weakness invites aggression.


It's amazing to me how many people I hear say "wow the world is a crazy place right now i hope all of this violence stops" or some shit basically acting like the "war" is some crazy new event.

Humans are VIOLENT in nature. The most violent species when you really look at our history and what we're capable of. The idea of violence ending is hilarious. Its survival of the strongest....thats nature, thats life. Kill or be killed sometimes is the only way.

Americans tend to have cultural decadence and lose grasp of reality. Especially the ones that talk negative about the U.S. as they're living in it. I see it all the time.

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It's amazing to me how many people I hear say "wow the world is a crazy place right now i hope all of this violence stops" or some shit basically acting like the "war" is some crazy new event.

Humans are VIOLENT in nature. The most violent species when you really look at our history and what we're capable of. The idea of violence ending is hilarious. Its survival of the strongest....thats nature, thats life. Kill or be killed sometimes is the only way.

Americans tend to have cultural decadence and lose grasp of reality. Especially the ones that talk negative about the U.S. as they're living in it. I see it all the time.


I disagree with the notion that humans are innately predisposed towards violence. "Kill or be killed" is commentary more on the social conditions of material existence, and less a commentary on the human condition imo. Unfortunately, violence is so relatively accessible but also efficacious that the only thing that can effectively deter violence is a threat or actuality of greater violence. People dream of the shield being stronger than the sword, but reality has cursed us thus far with an arms race.
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Jun 23 2025 10:05pm
All I see is a good thing.

:huh:


All I see is a thing. Thing good at face value, but only time will tell whether this works. I have a deep distrust of anyone who thinks they know how things will pan out now
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