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My support for Israel means i support their right to exist, i support the claim to that land, i support their right to defend themselves, control their borders, attack their enemies. I support their right to exist not only in Israel but here in the US and every other country without being attacked without being laughed or other negative stuff they've had to put up with for hundreds of years before.

In much of western Europe today a Hasidic jew walking down a street is likely to get harassed if not openly attacked, i don't agree with that we the west champion so many causes and equalities i.e. lgbtq or whatever but pretend that the example i just gave is normal to occur.

I'm also a Christian, and you cannot separate Israel and its people from the Christian fabric. You can't hate Jews and be a Christian.

Now with all that being said, after roughly 10 trillion being wasted on stupid wars in the ME with literally nothing to show for it, the prospect of going into Iran is the most retarded thing we can do right now. There's nothing ironic about that.


I generally agree with this, but Talmudic Judaism as a religion (which is divorced from the ancient Kingdom of Israel) is categorically anti-Christian, that is, it teaches that Jesus was a false teacher. Its practitioners have engaged in aggressive hostility & subversion targeting Christiandom since the 7th century which is the root of anti-Jewish European sentiment.

One massive problem Jewish people have today is that they refuse to acknowledge the difference between ethnicity & religion.
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Simple logic 101 argument.

Bob hates all Jews
Jesus was a Jew
Therefore Bob hates Jesus.


If Bob hates all Jews and Jesus was a Jew, then it follows he would also hate Jesus. So then if you hate Jesus how can you claim to be a Christian? You either love Jesus as the Bible instructs or you don't. It's quite binary.


Christian faith has had a lot of issues through its existence. Catholic church selling indulgences, catholic church getting behind the Reich, justifying slavery, list is long. That doesn't mean those are correct to central dogma.


Jesus was not of the Talmudic Judaism religion. He actively denounced & opposed Pharisidic Judaism (the leaders of which demanded his death) which was the religion from which Talmudic Judaism was derived.

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My support for Israel means i support their right to exist, i support the claim to that land, i support their right to defend themselves, control their borders, attack their enemies. I support their right to exist not only in Israel but here in the US and every other country without being attacked without being laughed or other negative stuff they've had to put up with for hundreds of years before.

In much of western Europe today a Hasidic jew walking down a street is likely to get harassed if not openly attacked, i don't agree with that we the west champion so many causes and equalities i.e. lgbtq or whatever but pretend that the example i just gave is normal to occur.

I'm also a Christian, and you cannot separate Israel and its people from the Christian fabric. You can't hate Jews and be a Christian.

Now with all that being said, after roughly 10 trillion being wasted on stupid wars in the ME with literally nothing to show for it, the prospect of going into Iran is the most retarded thing we can do right now. There's nothing ironic about that.



You're Christian and you think the State of Israel, that was just recently established after WW2, is the same Israel that's referenced in your religion?

Irony was a nice way to put. You should probably get someone to explain your religion to you, as well as hear what some Orthodox jews have to say about Israel.

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Jesus was not of the Talmudic Judaism religion. He actively denounced & opposed Pharisidic Judaism (the leaders of which demanded his death) which was the religion from which Talmudic Judaism was derived.


The Talmud didn’t exist during Jesus’ lifetime. It consists of the Mishnah and the Gemara. The Mishnah compiled about 200 years after Jesus can be seen as an early form of the Jewish legal system. The Gemara, completed roughly 500 years after Jesus, is a record of rabbinic debates and interpretations, which I find fascinating

Jesus criticized specific Pharisees, especially hypocrisy or legalism (e.g., Matthew 23), but not the entire Pharisaic tradition.
In fact, many of Jesus’ teachings align more with Pharisaic positions than with Sadducean or Essene beliefs.
Some scholars even argue Jesus was closer in spirit to a reform-minded Pharisee.

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You're Christian and you think the State of Israel, that was just recently established after WW2, is the same Israel that's referenced in your religion?

Irony was a nice way to put. You should probably get someone to explain your religion to you, as well as hear what some Orthodox jews have to say about Israel.


So because it’s not the same state as 2000 years ago it shouldn’t exist? Argument could be made for literally any sovereign. What a low iq clap back.

And lmao at neckbeard comment. Let me guess some really enlightened atheist is going to break down what I should believe now 🤣

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The Talmud didn’t exist during Jesus’ lifetime. It consists of the Mishnah and the Gemara. The Mishnah compiled about 200 years after Jesus can be seen as an early form of the Jewish legal system. The Gemara, completed roughly 500 years after Jesus, is a record of rabbinic debates and interpretations, which I find fasci


Yes - my understanding is that the Talmud on the whole is a codification of the Rabbinic oral tradition - which involves conversations, debates, previously unwritten laws and whatnot.

The Christian belief (my belief) is that Christianity is the true and legitimate continuation of the religion of King David and the Tribe of Judah (ancient Judaism), which degenerated into a perverted and corrupted form (Pharisidic Judaism, later codified as Talmudic Judaism) by the time of Jesus.

It's worth noting at this time that Judaea was a rebellious, violent, ethnostate governed by a tyrant (King Herod)

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The Talmud didn’t exist during Jesus’ lifetime. It consists of the Mishnah and the Gemara. The Mishnah compiled about 200 years after Jesus can be seen as an early form of the Jewish legal system. The Gemara, completed roughly 500 years after Jesus, is a record of rabbinic debates and interpretations, which I find fascinating

Jesus criticized specific Pharisees, especially hypocrisy or legalism (e.g., Matthew 23), but not the entire Pharisaic tradition.
In fact, many of Jesus’ teachings align more with Pharisaic positions than with Sadducean or Essene beliefs.
Some scholars even argue Jesus was closer in spirit to a reform-minded Pharisee.


I do agree that not *all* of Pharisidic Judaism was bad, the principal sins being as you said the hypocrisy and legalism (which is shockingly similar to the Democratic party today). However, these sins were so great that they lost the Mandate of God in whole, which is why He sent Jesus to straighten them out. His murder then angered God so much that He gave the Romans the Mandate to destroy the degenerate Kingdom in whole

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Yes - my understanding is that the Talmud on the whole is a codification of the Rabbinic oral tradition - which involves conversations, debates, previously unwritten laws and whatnot.

The Christian belief (my belief) is that Christianity is the true and legitimate continuation of the religion of King David and the Tribe of Judah (ancient Judaism), which degenerated into a perverted and corrupted form (Pharisidic Judaism, later codified as Talmudic Judaism) by the time of Jesus.

It's worth noting at this time that Judaea was a rebellious, violent, ethnostate governed by a tyrant (King Herod)


Edit:
Judaism degenerated into a perverted and corrupted form (Pharisaic Judaism, later codified as Talmudic Judaism)”
This is a polemical claim and not a historical fact.

It’s rooted in early Christian writings that were in conflict with Pharisaic Judaism.
From the Jewish perspective, Rabbinic Judaism was not a “degeneration” but a continuation and preservation of Jewish tradition after the Temple’s destruction in 70 CE.
The term “perverted” is theologically charged and not appropriate in objective historical discourse.

Christianity views Jesus as the Messiah who fulfilled the Hebrew scriptures.
Judaism rejects this claim and sees the David line as continuing in a future, not-yet-arrived Messiah.
Both religions claim continuity with ancient Israelite religion—but interpret it differently.



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I do agree that not *all* of Pharisidic Judaism was bad, the principal sins being as you said the hypocrisy and legalism (which is shockingly similar to the Democratic party today). However, these sins were so great that they lost the Mandate of God in whole, which is why He sent Jesus to straighten them out. His murder then angered God so much that He gave the Romans the Mandate to destroy the degenerate Kingdom in whole


Hadrian named the area Syria Palestine?

I think Josephus was pissed with the Jews at that point and he defected.
He is actually a Jew but changed his name to sound more Roman.

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Hadrian named the area Syria Palestine?


That's right, their regime was smashed and the population dispersed into the mountains and the sea, settling in Khazaria and Iberia respectively
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