"Israel will fall"

-banani

China will not enter the war. They will try to negotiate but will fail. i'll make another post in a few mins covering this point.



"Israel will win" - Ferdia

stop being an anti-semite! Israel has a right to defend itself!

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 19 2025 05:50am

From its inception, Israel has held an unyielding refusal to negotiate, an insistence on moral righteousness while carrying out repeated military operations, and consistently justifies its actions as necessary self-defense. Any challenge to these actions is frequently dismissed as antisemitism, further entrenching its exceptionalist stance. The United States, under Donald Trump—as with many administrations before him—maintains unwavering support for Israel while embracing an absolutist rhetoric that frames Iran as an existential threat. Unlike most of the world, where tit-for-tat deterrence remains the norm, both the U.S. and Israel subscribe to a doctrine of overwhelming force. This preference for escalation over proportionality serves to intensify conflicts rather than contain them and reduces global relationships to a binary of allies and enemies, often devoid of nuance. There is little indication that the U.S. or Israeli leadership understands, or seeks to understand, Iran’s position. Neither appears willing or able to view the conflict from an alternative perspective. This blindness to Iran’s motivations virtually guarantees that tensions will escalate further. For Iran, surrender is not an option—it equates to national destruction. Continued resistance, in their view, is essential to preserving sovereignty and deterring further aggression.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s leadership reflects a deeply entrenched fortress mentality. Ongoing Israeli airstrikes on Iranian targets and Iran’s retaliatory missile strikes have escalated a de facto state of war. Iran’s actions—including its support for groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and various regional militias—are not unprovoked. They are shaped by a long history of Israeli and Western aggression and interference. Iran and Israel had relatively stable relations prior to the 1979 revolution. However, that changed dramatically when Israel and the West supported Saddam Hussein’s 1980 invasion of Iran. This betrayal hardened Iran’s strategic outlook. Its current approach—backing proxy forces and maintaining forward pressure in “Israel’s backyard”—mirrors the U.S. doctrine of exporting conflict to keep threats far from home.

Iran’s overarching strategic concern is how to prevent future attacks. Having watched every avenue for restraint fail—most recently in what many are calling Iran’s "Pearl Harbor moment"—Tehran is now being forced to consider the one option it has long avoided but consistently warned about: nuclear capability. Ironically, it is the very behavior of Israel and the United States that is pushing Iran toward the threshold both nations have spent decades seeking to prevent.

It is unlikely that any nation will join the conflict on the side of Iran. Despite mounting regional instability, most governments will tread cautiously, unwilling to risk confrontation with the United States or Israel. While countries such as China and others in the Global South may push for diplomacy and urge de-escalation, these efforts are expected to fail. The U.S. and Israel, driven by entrenched strategic objectives and a refusal to engage in meaningful negotiation, will largely ignore such overtures. Their overriding goal will be to systematically degrade Iran’s capabilities—economically, militarily, and politically—regardless of the long-term consequences. The result will not be resolution, but rather the continued wrecking of Iran through sustained pressure and overwhelming force.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 19 2025 06:30am

Didnt read lol

"Israel will be deleted"

-banani

This post was edited by Bananii on Jun 19 2025 06:33am

Your a perfect example of the entrenched position that the US and Israel has taken - my way or the high way. I am right and you are wrong. If an ally says the sun rises in the west you believe them and if someone that is not an ally says that in fact the sun rises in the east, you ignore them. We saw this yesterday from Many_names and Darksoho where I outlined Israel's intentions, they completely disagreed with me (because they didnt like the source, me), but then mirrored what i said, simply using different words to describe the same thing.

in the Russia topic we had a prolific poster who posted various articles and videos and then admitted that he didnt even read or watch them. In this regard, just like then, if you bury your head in the sand, dont be surprised if you lose your hearing, sight or equilibrium.

TLDR: What I am saying is Iran will be deleted, and I outlined the reasons for that assumption. The US and Israel believe there are no long term consequences.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 19 2025 06:40am

We simply listen to our enemies something we failed to do before october 7th
They want my destruction so be it

It would be nice if we here in the West would collectively start listening too and put the Marxists to the torch. You guys can help us since they've morphed into an unholy Marxist-Islamist alliance

Ewww, communists

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

There are a few things I want to raise -

1. Iran, as Israel's enemy, was not a natural inevitability—it was, to a large degree, manufactured. This dynamic traces back to 1979–1980, after the Islamic Revolution, when Israel supported Iraq’s invasion of Iran. By helping corner Iran early on, Israel contributed to the hostile posture Iran eventually adopted. Now, Israel is waging a war that may very well end in Iran's destruction. The tragic alternative is that Iran might pursue nuclear weapons—not for aggression, but as the only deterrent against future annihilation.

2. On a personal level, our conversation yesterday stood out to me. When I shared my understanding of Israel’s goals, you disagreed—but offered no clear counterargument. To me, that reflects a larger pattern: not truly listening to the other side. Dismissing even basic observations like “the sky is blue” or “the sun rises in the east” doesn’t strengthen a position—it only closes off dialogue.

3. There’s also a wider issue that makes honest discussion extremely difficult: any questioning of Israel’s actions often leads to the label of anti-Semitism. This binary thinking—“you’re either fully with us or against us”—makes real conversation nearly impossible. From where I stand, it looks like a kind of mental block that shuts down critical thinking. And that’s dangerous for everyone, Israelis included.

Regarding point 3,
I think non Israelis are using the word anti-semitism more than the Israelis.. at least in this thread.