As I understand it, israeli society believes the term "genocide" only applies to WW2 Germany and can not be used to describe any events after WW2. They have taken ownership of the word and they dont hand it out. This is why the Pro-Israeli voice, cheerleading what is happening in Gaza, are affronted when the term genocide is used.

They dont seem to mind the term ethnic cleansing though and will freely admit to ethnic cleansing.

if you look in the other topic you will see that after Israelis attack on Iran all they can do is cheer lead. I mean, Israel literally declared war on another country (so Israel is the aggressor) and they are cheer leading on this site. its quite astounding.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 17 2025 06:34am

1.To say that “Israeli society believes the term genocide only applies to Nazi Germany” is not based on any factual or cultural consensus. Israeli academics, media, and legal professionals have used the term “genocide” to describe atrocities in Rwanda, Darfur, and Armenia. The reluctance to accept the use of the term in Gaza isn’t about “ownership” of the word - it’s about accuracy and legal definition.

Genocide, under the 1948 UN Convention, requires intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such. Israel’s military operations in Gaza are widely and repeatedly declared as aimed at dismantling Hamas, a terrorist group per U.S., EU, and Israeli designation - not Palestinians as a people. That’s a crucial legal distinction.

2. Israel has a large Arab population with full rights. Fringe voices don’t represent national policy.

3. Iran funds and arms terror groups that attack Israel. It has called for Israel’s destruction. Israeli strikes are a response to those threats, not unprovoked war.

4. Support for the IDF is rooted in self-defense and survival. When rockets fall on Israeli cities, people naturally support their army. It’s not celebration - it’s protection

great! so you can start applying the term Genocide, to Gaza, from now on. I am so happy you finally see the light! Israel is committing Genocide in gaza. wow that took over a year to get consensus, im glad we finally got there together!

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 17 2025 09:03am

We dont because there is no intention to annihilate them

you do know that your signature explicitly states - There was no country named Palestine - if this is not a declaration to deny a people an identity, then i dont know what is. should I post the articles about what Israel is currently doing in Gaza?

like this: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-shelling-kills-45-people-awaiting-aid-trucks-gaza-ministry-says-2025-06-17/


what truly baffles me is when someone says Israel is trying to create regime change in Iran, and I clarify, no, Israel simply wants to cripple Iran's military capabilities, you and your buddy jump on me and say I am an anti semite for even suggesting this. when i then challenge you on this point your both floundering, which leaves me totally bemused.

who was the Palestinian first president ?
what was their economy based on ?

Yasser Arafat pumped the idea of the Palestinians. most of them are Jordanians\Egyptians but it does not matter, what matter is reality: Palestine is a fiction made by people who are opposing Israel in general.

you can tell me those were tribes 3000 ago, i will tell you jews were here 6000 years ago also and we can go back and fourth with this nonsense, yet the truth remains..

it's the same as people who argue that there are more than 2 genders. really ? how many ? 6 ? 1543 ? as much as we want ?
Palestine is something that never ever existed. you can call it whatever.. i already see the next comment ahead.

This post was edited by darksoho on Jun 17 2025 09:39am

Israel killed the Iran's negotiators

Israel killed Hamas negotiator Ismael Haniye and his entire family.

Israel assassinated Swedish UN negotiator in 1948.

Israel assassinated their own Israeli president Rabin for negotiating peace.

Why would anyone negotiate peace with people who kill you for it?

Well, using your argument — there are Israeli users on this site who state that there was never a country named Palestine. This effectively denies Palestinian culture, which could be considered cultural genocide. Moreover, these users have openly expressed genocidal intent, with statements like “kill them all” and show no remorse. Therefore, when you say Israel does not appear to have genocidal intent, I would argue that based on the historic debate within the Israel 7th thread, there is clear evidence of genocidal intent expressed by some Israelis.

But we should not be discussing this here. this is a Harris thread. ill revert any further Israeli comments, in the relevant thread.

i moved this from the harris thread, cheers.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 19 2025 10:13am

He is old enough to not worry about upcoming elections...So he can tell the truth about bibi ..Plus Dems always like to blame everything on Republicans while doing nothing in office ..

desires and intent are hard to parse from each other, the most effective way is generally actions.

in the cases of a reliable narrator their statements can be used effectively to gauge intent. but i have to laugh as many people will tell you "everything israelis say is a lie" out of one side of their mouth then "X person who is in the govt said they want to kill them all, so that's genocidal intent". so on one hand everything is a lie from ALL israeli's, and then on the other hand some assistant to a cabinet member's deleted twitter post is the doctrine of the entire govt. this isn't aimed at you, just a general observation.

my overall position is clear, if israel is genocidal they're carrying out the worst genocide ever. the term apartheid has issues as well when applied to israel, but it has magnitudes more legitimacy than genocide. the main issue with apartheid is compartmentalization of right's refusal, arab non-jewish muslims who live in israel proper have nearly all if not all rights. there are muslim judges, politicians, business owners, etc. But when we use the term apartheid with Israel we only tend to focus on the arab muslims who live outside of israel proper in occupied terrirories.

overall i really just dont like softening of terms, we have historical benchmarks such as genocide, apartheid, and holocaust to stand the test of time as serious red flags of human behavior. to soften them softens our ability to guage what is an issue at a magnitude that requires global cooperation to rectify.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 19 2025 11:08am