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Jun 14 2025 02:56pm
Iran has struck oil refineries in Haifa and the Iron Dome once again didn't stop everything, there are fires and explosions visible
looks like that refinery is a goner

Historic location where in 1947 during the partition plan, arab workers at the refinery massacred all their jewish coworkers. The arabs had been attacked by jewish separatists with 6 killed earlier in the day and killed 40 jews at the oil refinery in reprisal, which then led haganah attacking the nearby villages and killed 60 arabs at balad al-shaykh including women and children. Unrelated to current strikes of course, just the biggest refinery in Israel being targeted
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Jun 14 2025 03:04pm
my advice is take notice on Teharan.
the Haifa thing well.. it's a bummer. it's not an issue.

also Yemen.. yeah lol.

best of luck ahead.
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Jun 14 2025 04:23pm
Damn this sucks, I voted for Trump because he said he would end wars and not let any new ones start.

Darn.
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Jun 14 2025 04:26pm
Iran has asked Oman and Qatar to mediate between Tehran and Washington in an effort to renew nuclear negotiations, on the condition that Israeli strikes come to a halt. A senior American diplomat stated that Iran is now in a “significantly weaker position” than it was before the Israeli strike. “They either failed to understand or deliberately ignored the president’s warnings,” the diplomat was quoted as saying, blaming Tehran for delaying the talks while rapidly advancing its nuclear program.

Sounds like a call for help

They understand we mean business

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That's only half of a win. Not getting entangled when its not necessary- good. But peace through strength requires us to dissuade such actions unless they are necessary, and that's an L for Trump on the current balance, though we still need to see how it shakes out.
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THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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That's only half of a win. Not getting entangled when its not necessary- good. But peace through strength requires us to dissuade such actions unless they are necessary, and that's an L for Trump on the current balance, though we still need to see how it shakes out.


Okay Mark Levin

I kid I kid

If by that you mean we should have kept a shorter leash on Israel, yes. But as I understand it, Israel has built up enough hutzpah to feel they can go it alone. And they're probably right, but Israel's aggression will always reflect on the US. The world mostly accurately sees Israel as a rabid pitbull grown and trained by the US.
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https://i.imgur.com/zoFhvqh.png

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Buddy is flat out supporting terrorist countries like Iran? WILD 😂

If they build a Nuke its gonna be trouble. Israel is just doing the dirty work for NATO in preventing that and taking the fall for the attacks.

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Okay Mark Levin

I kid I kid

If by that you mean we should have kept a shorter leash on Israel, yes. But as I understand it, Israel has built up enough hutzpah to feel they can go it alone. And they're probably right, but Israel's aggression will always reflect on the US. The world mostly accurately sees Israel as a rabid pitbull grown and trained by the US.


It remains to be seen, but its easy to predict a potential for Israel's pride goeth'ing before the fall
The arithmetic of the Israeli left remains the same. Even if you have no lily livered opposition to interventionalism or aversion to killing brown people, the question remains whether it serves the pragmatic long term strategic interests of Israel. Is this going to stop Iran from getting a nuke, or just delay them, and for how long? Is this going to open the door to Iran being willing to conduct reciprocal drone attacks inside Israel? Because if that happens, what will happen? We have to examine whether Israel has the capacity to actually withstand a campaign of bombings, whether it has the military force to crush Iran in a pitched conflict if it gets pulled in, whether Israel has any security means to prevent such attacks. Not questions with obvious answers.

The benefit of peacetime and stability is the comfort of not getting us all killed by making miscalculations. The downside is the rot and slide, the slow erosion of advantage and danger approaching its critical mass. Israel has abandoned the safeguards of the former and plunged us into the latter. There's plenty of room for this dust-up to spiral out of control, and Israel could be overestimating its ability to shrug off retaliation.
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