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Jun 9 2025 01:54am
That's pretty much what I just said.

Stettin/Koslin is East Pommernia, Koningsberg area is East Prussia, then Brandenburg and much of Silesia are German

Even the parts that aren't grey are subject to the heat map. Light yellow areas most notably the north coast and areas near Danzig were tiny Polish minority


Mate, what you write simply does not add up. The regions that voted for Trzaskowski are both former Polish lands occupied by Prussia, as well as former German lands. But it is not the "land" that votes, but the people, and even in the former German lands there are no Germans.
Additionally, the east-west division is only one, apart from that there is a division by education (the higher the education, the more votes for Trzaskowski), a division by size of town (large cities Trzaskowski, villages Nawrocki), a division by gender (men Nawrocki, women Trzaskowski)
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Jun 9 2025 12:00pm
Mate, what you write simply does not add up. The regions that voted for Trzaskowski are both former Polish lands occupied by Prussia, as well as former German lands. But it is not the "land" that votes, but the people, and even in the former German lands there are no Germans.
Additionally, the east-west division is only one, apart from that there is a division by education (the higher the education, the more votes for Trzaskowski), a division by size of town (large cities Trzaskowski, villages Nawrocki), a division by gender (men Nawrocki, women Trzaskowski)


I was just being a smart ass about reverse annexing yourself. But this whole thing about "Polish lands occupied by Prussia" is nonsense. They're part of Poland now, but before 1945, Brandenburg, Pomerania, and East Prussia had only ever had tiny Polish minorities. Even as far as direct rule, outside of a brief period with Duchy Prussia as a vassal. Those lands were abso-fucking-lutely German and not Polish. The expulsion of Germans from those areas constitutes a massive displacement and genocide with little precedent other than revenge.
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Jun 9 2025 12:08pm
I was just being a smart ass about reverse annexing yourself. But this whole thing about "Polish lands occupied by Prussia" is nonsense. They're part of Poland now, but before 1945, Brandenburg, Pomerania, and East Prussia had only ever had tiny Polish minorities. Even as far as direct rule, outside of a brief period with Duchy Prussia as a vassal. Those lands were abso-fucking-lutely German and not Polish. The expulsion of Germans from those areas constitutes a massive displacement and genocide with little precedent other than revenge.


The Poles are pros at rewriting history. Warsaw was ~30% Jewish pre WW2, but don't ask the Poles about what happened to those Jews. In their history books the evil Germans came and slaughtered those Jews, in reality, the Polish were very complicit in basically slave catching and helping with it. But any historian that brings this up, he's banned, like there's literally banned books in Poland when it comes to this stuff.
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Jun 9 2025 02:55pm
The Poles are pros at rewriting history. Warsaw was ~30% Jewish pre WW2, but don't ask the Poles about what happened to those Jews. In their history books the evil Germans came and slaughtered those Jews, in reality, the Polish were very complicit in basically slave catching and helping with it. But any historian that brings this up, he's banned, like there's literally banned books in Poland when it comes to this stuff.


Hate against polish people is strong I see.
Obviously there were heroes, who saved the jews, and there were people who were helping nazists for money.
According to chatgpt there were more people that were helping jews, risking their and their families life, than helping nazists.
Or the chatgpt is also polish lie propaganda?
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Jun 9 2025 11:45pm
Additionally [...] there is a division by education (the higher the education, the more votes for Trzaskowski), a division by size of town (large cities Trzaskowski, villages Nawrocki), a division by gender (men Nawrocki, women Trzaskowski)


Those are just the standard fault lines in contemporary politics and will be found in every Western democracy these days.
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Jun 10 2025 02:01am
Trzaskowski was a progressive (by Polish standards). Considering how tight this election turned out to be, the liberal camp should have run a more moderate candidate.


Polish people are more liberal than you think.
Only 29% people attend church every week, its down from 50% in 1990. Nearly half of young people sign out of religion classes in high school.
And even amongst these 29% people there are many who dont fully agree with bishops in politics.
Basically we need a priest to give us religous funeral, marriage, christening to our children, first communion and bless our food for the easter.
This is more a tradition rather than religion.
By turning more right how many people could liberals steal from right wing? Not much I would say.
And they also need to keep their voters mobilized. If they put a right wing candidate, some of their voters might stay home instead of choosing between two conservative candidates.
PiS is not conservative because they get voters, but PiS is conservative because that's how they internally mobilize themselves to act, its a part of their story, party identity.
People in Poland mostly dont give a fuck if politician is left or right wing, they want: more money for themselves, more social spending, less taxes, better government services, better healthcare, infrastructure investments.
Whoever convinces people "we are the best at these things" will win.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jun 10 2025 02:04am
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