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May 18 2025 11:21am
Yahwa Sinwar's brother Mohamed Sinwar, who became the top leader of Hamas after his brother's death, has now been reportedly (unconfirmed) killed in an Israeli airstrike
Mohamed Sinwar and the bodies of 10 aides were found in a tunnel in Khan Yunis... underneath the European Hospital, after that airstrike that the western media decried as a war crime

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-strikes-kill-at-least-54-in-southern-gaza-hospital-says
we've got fun anti-israeli articles like this;
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/israel-falsely-claimed-gaza-hospital-had-tunnel-after-striking-it-israel-media-says


As it turns out, the EU hospital indeed had a tunnel, and the top Hamas leader in it;
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-854374


I have no interest in discussing this matter any further. I’ll just say this: this is the last time the reservists are entering Gaza — and this time, they’re going all the way, unless Hamas surrenders in the next few days.
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May 23 2025 11:48am
BBC: Benjamin Netanyahu has blamed Sir Keir Starmer, Emmanuel Macron and Mark Carney for fueling antisemitism after two Israeli embassy workers were shot dead in Washington DC. Mr Netanyahu said the leaders of the UK, France and Canada are "on the wrong side of humanity and (...) history" after they threatened "concrete action" against Israel this week if it continues its "egregious" military operations in Gaza.

Basically what Netanyahu is doing is exactly what the UK did for decades when things were tough - blame a 3rd party. For the UK, it was ever the EU to blame, for Netanyahu, its the UN, or now, England, France and Canada.

From a UK perspective it is by now very clear to everyone that Keir Starmer is not a leader, he is a follower. Indecisive, far too careful, no moral fiber, a lair of convenience, a self serving career politician who is only out there for himself. The UK has various military treaties with Israel, and rather then reviewing them, they are seeking to strengthen then. so any of these stories from the BBC or the Guardian are simply noise. The UK has invaded so many countries on the planet and butchered so many people, its not going to suddenly pull out of a money spinning deal just because some people are being starved to death or bombed. and ditto for the dutch government. The sad reality is Israel will do what it wants.



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May 24 2025 12:06pm
i have to retract what i said about holland, ill draft something later :)
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how far off am I am on this?

The Netherlands’ evolving relationship with Israel is a story deeply rooted in history, migration, and national identity. To understand the seismic shifts in Dutch public opinion and government policy today, it’s vital to look back—at WWII, the postwar era, and decades of social transformation—before unpacking the recent riots, political fallout, and public backlash that catalyzed a historic EU resolution.

The scars of World War II run deep in Dutch society. After Nazi Germany invaded in 1940, the Netherlands endured a brutal occupation during which about 75% of its Jewish population was murdered in the Holocaust—among the highest loss rates in Western Europe. This collective trauma forged an unshakeable bond between the Dutch and the Jewish people. Emerging from the war with a heavy sense of guilt and moral responsibility, the Netherlands became a staunch supporter of Israel’s establishment in 1948. For decades, Dutch policy and public sentiment remained overwhelmingly pro-Israel, grounded in this historic sympathy.

The devastation of WWII left the Netherlands with a depleted workforce and an urgent need to rebuild. To address labor shortages, the Dutch government embarked on recruitment programs starting in the 1950s, inviting workers from Southern Europe and later from Turkey, Morocco, and former Dutch colonies such as Suriname and Indonesia. Initially intended as temporary guest workers, many migrants settled permanently, transforming Dutch society into a multicultural tapestry. These changes brought challenges—racial tensions and integration struggles marked the 1970s through 1990s. But by the 2000s, the Netherlands had institutionalized strong anti-racism policies and embraced a more inclusive, tolerant national identity. This transformation makes the idea that the Netherlands harbors widespread anti-Semitism utterly implausible. Instead, the country became known as one of the more progressive and socially conscious in Europe, deeply aware of discrimination’s scars—past and present.

In November 2024, violent clashes erupted in Amsterdam during a Europa League match between Ajax and Israel’s Maccabi Tel Aviv. Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf captured footage clearly showing Israeli supporters as the primary aggressors. She sold the video to Reuters, a major international news agency closely linked to U.S. media and government interests, which initially edited and framed it to suggest Dutch anti-Semitic groups were attacking Israeli fans. This misleading portrayal was widely circulated across Western media, reinforcing a false narrative that Holland was an antisemitic country. The Amsterdam violence was not an isolated incident; in the preceding months, Israeli fans had been involved in multiple violent episodes across Europe, including attacks on pro-Palestinian supporters in Greece and elsewhere. Once the full video and context emerged, de Graaf publicly condemned the manipulation of her footage and exposed Reuters’ role in distorting the facts. The fallout sparked widespread public outrage and political turmoil. Right-wing politicians like Geert Wilders seized the moment to scapegoat Moroccan-Dutch youth, calling for harsh measures such as citizenship revocation. This incendiary rhetoric backfired, revealing deep fractures within the coalition government. A Moroccan-born State Secretary resigned in protest, and the government narrowly avoided collapse amid fierce public and political criticism, accused of silence and complicity in allowing the false narrative to persist.

Following the initial outrage over the Amsterdam clashes and the distorted media narrative, mass demonstrations erupted across the Netherlands. Starting in late 2024 and continuing into the spring of 2025, thousands of Dutch citizens—spanning diverse backgrounds and political beliefs—took to the streets to protest both the Israeli aggression exposed in the footage and the Dutch government’s silence and complicity. The demonstrations called for justice, transparency, and a more balanced foreign policy that would not shield Israel from accountability. These protests grew in size and intensity over several months, culminating in large-scale rallies in major cities such as Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and The Hague. The movement united broad swaths of society, including immigrant communities, human rights activists, students, and even some moderate politicians disillusioned with the government's stance. This sustained public pressure influenced Dutch politics significantly. By May 2025, the government faced mounting demands for change, leading the Netherlands to propose a groundbreaking resolution at the European Union condemning Israel’s actions. This marked a significant shift from the Netherlands’ traditionally cautious or pro-Israel position to active criticism on the European stage, signaling a new era in Dutch foreign policy influenced directly by public mobilization.

TLDR: well done Holland.
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May 25 2025 08:59pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c780n71rr24o

A dual US-German citizen was arrested attempting to firebomb the US embassy in Tel Aviv, screaming death to america. Joseph Neumayer was extradited to the US to face charges, and police say he repeatedly threatened to assassinate Trump on social media
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May 26 2025 12:22pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c780n71rr24o

A dual US-German citizen was arrested attempting to firebomb the US embassy in Tel Aviv, screaming death to america. Joseph Neumayer was extradited to the US to face charges, and police say he repeatedly threatened to assassinate Trump on social media


In Bowling for Columbine, a mother is interviewed deep in the woods, cradling a baby in one arm and an M16 in the other. “What do you do when a man comes into your house with a gun?” she asks. “You phone the police, because they have guns too.” Then she lifts the rifle and says, “This way, we cut out the middle man.” Last year, students across the U.S. protested against Israel’s actions in Gaza—and the U.S. government’s support for those actions. At the University of California, police stood by while outside groups—not students—stormed the campus and brutalized demonstrators.

Joseph Neumayer was clearly disillusioned with the U.S. government’s sense of justice—and it’s hard to argue that the Israeli government still holds any moral credibility. Instead of trusting institutions that have repeatedly failed to act impartially, he bypassed them entirely and turned to violence. Increasingly, some Americans are asking: When did we become the bad guys? Ultimately, Israel’s hold will not be broken anytime soon, and the U.S. government will continue to support it— which, to me, makes America a fatal ally. More lives will be lost, tensions will escalate, and violence like what we’ve seen in recent weeks across the U.S. and Israel will only grow.

I had this same conversation earlier in the year, where he believed this will be the final battle and that peace will follow. But with a growing population, limited land, and a fatal ally that enables Israel to do whatever it wants, ever with a weapon, my view is that the cycle of violence will simply repeat, again and again.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 26 2025 12:40pm
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May 26 2025 01:05pm
^Malopox how far off am I am on this?

The Netherlands’ evolving relationship with Israel is a story deeply rooted in history, migration, and national identity. To understand the seismic shifts in Dutch public opinion and government policy today, it’s vital to look back—at WWII, the postwar era, and decades of social transformation—before unpacking the recent riots, political fallout, and public backlash that catalyzed a historic EU resolution.

The scars of World War II run deep in Dutch society. After Nazi Germany invaded in 1940, the Netherlands endured a brutal occupation during which about 75% of its Jewish population was murdered in the Holocaust—among the highest loss rates in Western Europe. This collective trauma forged an unshakeable bond between the Dutch and the Jewish people. Emerging from the war with a heavy sense of guilt and moral responsibility, the Netherlands became a staunch supporter of Israel’s establishment in 1948. For decades, Dutch policy and public sentiment remained overwhelmingly pro-Israel, grounded in this historic sympathy.

The devastation of WWII left the Netherlands with a depleted workforce and an urgent need to rebuild. To address labor shortages, the Dutch government embarked on recruitment programs starting in the 1950s, inviting workers from Southern Europe and later from Turkey, Morocco, and former Dutch colonies such as Suriname and Indonesia. Initially intended as temporary guest workers, many migrants settled permanently, transforming Dutch society into a multicultural tapestry. These changes brought challenges—racial tensions and integration struggles marked the 1970s through 1990s. But by the 2000s, the Netherlands had institutionalized strong anti-racism policies and embraced a more inclusive, tolerant national identity. This transformation makes the idea that the Netherlands harbors widespread anti-Semitism utterly implausible. Instead, the country became known as one of the more progressive and socially conscious in Europe, deeply aware of discrimination’s scars—past and present.

In November 2024, violent clashes erupted in Amsterdam during a Europa League match between Ajax and Israel’s Maccabi Tel Aviv. Dutch photographer Annet de Graaf captured footage clearly showing Israeli supporters as the primary aggressors. She sold the video to Reuters, a major international news agency closely linked to U.S. media and government interests, which initially edited and framed it to suggest Dutch anti-Semitic groups were attacking Israeli fans. This misleading portrayal was widely circulated across Western media, reinforcing a false narrative that Holland was an antisemitic country. The Amsterdam violence was not an isolated incident; in the preceding months, Israeli fans had been involved in multiple violent episodes across Europe, including attacks on pro-Palestinian supporters in Greece and elsewhere. Once the full video and context emerged, de Graaf publicly condemned the manipulation of her footage and exposed Reuters’ role in distorting the facts. The fallout sparked widespread public outrage and political turmoil. Right-wing politicians like Geert Wilders seized the moment to scapegoat Moroccan-Dutch youth, calling for harsh measures such as citizenship revocation. This incendiary rhetoric backfired, revealing deep fractures within the coalition government. A Moroccan-born State Secretary resigned in protest, and the government narrowly avoided collapse amid fierce public and political criticism, accused of silence and complicity in allowing the false narrative to persist.

Following the initial outrage over the Amsterdam clashes and the distorted media narrative, mass demonstrations erupted across the Netherlands. Starting in late 2024 and continuing into the spring of 2025, thousands of Dutch citizens—spanning diverse backgrounds and political beliefs—took to the streets to protest both the Israeli aggression exposed in the footage and the Dutch government’s silence and complicity. The demonstrations called for justice, transparency, and a more balanced foreign policy that would not shield Israel from accountability. These protests grew in size and intensity over several months, culminating in large-scale rallies in major cities such as Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and The Hague. The movement united broad swaths of society, including immigrant communities, human rights activists, students, and even some moderate politicians disillusioned with the government's stance. This sustained public pressure influenced Dutch politics significantly. By May 2025, the government faced mounting demands for change, leading the Netherlands to propose a groundbreaking resolution at the European Union condemning Israel’s actions. This marked a significant shift from the Netherlands’ traditionally cautious or pro-Israel position to active criticism on the European stage, signaling a new era in Dutch foreign policy influenced directly by public mobilization.

TLDR: well done Holland.


"Mass immigration from islamic countries and a surging population share of Muslims makes the idea that the Netherlands harbors widespread anti-Semitism utterly implausible." :rolleyes:
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May 26 2025 01:13pm
"Mass immigration from islamic countries and a surging population share of Muslims makes the idea that the Netherlands harbors widespread anti-Semitism utterly implausible." :rolleyes:


just to be clear, your quoting yourself here.

the point that i was making for holland is that the migration for holland happened half a century ago. maybe you missed that. wait sorry, over 50 years ago.

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Note: This video may be blocked in Israel due to the government's ongoing ban on Al Jazeera. If you're unable to view it, that's likely the reason. For those celebrating the suffering of children, your inability to access truth and empathy is even more concerning than your government's censorship.

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May 29 2025 06:20am
From the BBC:

Israeli ministers say 22 new Jewish settlements have been approved in the occupied West Bank - the biggest expansion in decades. Several already exist as outposts, built without government authorisation, but will now be made legal under Israeli law. Others are completely new, according to Defence Minister Israel Katz and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich. Settlements - which are widely seen as illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this - are one of the most contentious issues between Israel and the Palestinians. Katz said the move "prevents the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel", while the Palestinian presidency called it a "dangerous escalation". The Israeli anti-settlement watchdog Peace Now called it "the most extensive move of its kind" in more than 30 years and warned that it would "dramatically reshape the West Bank and entrench the occupation even further".
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