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#11
May 15 2025 03:46pm
Quote (SBD @ May 15 2025 11:42am)
The average age actually went down this year because some died of old age. That's where we are at. And as Void mentioned above, age does not 100% predict mental capacity / cognitive function. Trump is clearly significantly more functional than Biden at similar ages. This does make it difficult to set an arbitrary line should it ever come to fruition.

The issue is more people will hold a seat until they actually die of old age with no term-limits (as in can no longer run for re-election).

Devils advocate to my own opinion, research suggests you do become more altruistic as you age. So perhaps older is better.

You're selfish younger, but what does unlimited term length in politics where you can take advantage of such positioning do to that altruism, seems to poison it. But I think that's where term limits come in.


Agreed in general

The maximum term age should be a function of average life expectancy, not median. The positive trend in median and negative in average simply means the rich are literally able to afford to live longer.


Also, all representative should be subject to frequent and random regular drug screening.


Edit: Also would pin elected officials pay and benefits to a function of their local jurisdictions performance

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May 15 2025 03:49pm
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The maximum term age should be a function of average life expectancy, not median. The positive trend in median and negative in average simply means the rich are literally able to afford to live longer.


Yeah I noted that in the post replying to Goom. There's a massive difference between age expectancy in your top % of income. Its wild to me that the USA's poor can have a life expectancy of that of some third world countries.

This is just googles' AI response which would need validating but I am sure it could be quickly:

"Life expectancy for poor people in the US is significantly lower than in many "3rd world" countries, and it's also lower than life expectancy in other wealthy nations. The disparity between rich and poor in the US is large, with the richest 1% living about 14-15 years longer than the poorest 1%. This is partly due to factors like lack of access to healthcare, education, and other resources, as well as higher rates of conditions like obesity and drug overdoses among low-income populations. "
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May 15 2025 03:49pm
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Also, all representative should be subject to frequent and random regular drug screening.


This ^

My job can and does random drug tests for insurance purposes or when an accident happens on the job site.
People who fail or refuse are fired.

I see no problem holding representatives to this standard.
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May 15 2025 07:49pm
But they're the only ones who can talk to corporate?
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May 16 2025 10:47am
Term limits will never happen as long as seniority is rewarded. Look up senate hideaways. The oldest senators have secret rooms all around the capitol that are like mini palaces. Also, when an old politician retires that means hundreds of people lose their job and thousands lose their influence. None of them want that. It's better to have a corpse of Thurmond, Feinstein, McConnell or Biden.... than to not have a seat at the table.

It's gross cause these people claim to be public servants for life but the reality is they don't want to give up that power. The exact opposite of Cincinnatus or Washington.

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May 16 2025 11:14am
instead of term limits or age limits for congress, maybe we set term limits on life like the vikings. once you hit age 80 you climb to the top of a cliff and jump off to enter Valhalla with a warrior's death.
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May 16 2025 03:12pm
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Term limits will never happen as long as seniority is rewarded. Look up senate hideaways. The oldest senators have secret rooms all around the capitol that are like mini palaces. Also, when an old politician retires that means hundreds of people lose their job and thousands lose their influence. None of them want that. It's better to have a corpse of Thurmond, Feinstein, McConnell or Biden.... than to not have a seat at the table.

It's gross cause these people claim to be public servants for life but the reality is they don't want to give up that power. The exact opposite of Cincinnatus or Washington.


Relevant to your point.

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This post was edited by Mondain on May 16 2025 03:15pm
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May 16 2025 04:01pm
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Physiological decline and even mental decline in people as they get older is well known.

We've all seen the mental freezes of people like Biden, McConnell, Feinstein, etc. I don't know what the answer is, age in itself probably should not be the only factor. I mean look at Trump. Old as fuck but still super active. Just gave a brilliant speech in SA got the royal treatment secured investment commitments into the US (whether they actually materialize is another story).

Point is, as of right now it's obvious Trump is fine and has lots of vigor, but i do agree that generally the avg age in congress should move down. We probably need term limits, not because of the age problem but because those entrenched in there for decades cater to special interest and that's how they actually get the reelection dollars.


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May 16 2025 06:00pm
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old men like to building golden tombs and sealing the rest of us in with them.


On the contrary, the Egyptian pyramids were ritual tombs not burial chambers.
They view their life's work as progress towards something greater.
Their death is a form of sacrifice, convinced they will be celebrated.
That would be their 2nd death, their first death happens during the ritual in the tomb.

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For example when George Bush sr was asked if he was born again, he said yes.
But he wasn't talking about Jesus or Christianity.

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May 16 2025 07:47pm
Quote (Mondain @ 16 May 2025 14:12)
Relevant to your point.

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Interesting take. I think that goes with being a "big name." Kinda like how Theranos had a shitload of big names on their board so no one questioned it or how the Marshall Plan was not George Marshall's brainchild, he just has the best reputation. Also, Colin Powell lying to the un general assembly.

It takes a lifetime of work to get there, so may as well put it to use.

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