Basically I run 2 characters at a time:

Barbarian
Guardian

Since HC reset and re-organising mules etc.

Going to take two(2) prntscrns using Lightshot:

#1 iz4 Guardian @ level 58 including equipment and stats. Take a note of the damage of the Battleaxe being equipped:

https://prnt.sc/FaQxZj_E_vLL

#2 izNaruto Barbarian @ level 59 including equipment and stats. Take note of the damage of the Battleaxe being equipped.

https://prnt.sc/Nt-guPH-2m6q

The Guardian Armor and Main charm +71 Strength and uses a level 55 Battleaxe (87 ee) ... ee compensates for Str stat.
The Barbarian Armor and Main charm = +84 Strength. and uses a level 50 Battleaxe (72 ee) ... +stat gear compensates.

Funniest thing folks... they both use Battleaxe which have a 1.8 sec delay (equal), however, the damage stats combined... Str/Dex which is the same for Battleaxe... 50/50 ratio, and the Barbarian deals the same damage as the fucking Guardian ... What the fuck, look at the stat totals.

Base stat of: Barb vs Guardian in the prntscrns:

Guardian: Strength 125 / Dexterity 15
Barbarian: Strength 154 / Dexterity 35

The weapon damage is basically the same... yes one is level 50, and one being 55 ... but dang.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 16 2025 01:16am

amazing

I would do more damage with barb or paladin. No stat metal armor.

Well I agree, I also think it gives more importance to the Weapons' level (Tier) on a Base damage value over Enhanced Effect and Stat Ratio values. Looks like I will need to switch equipment setup based around the 55 Battleaxe.



So... you think +Stat armor doesn't make a difference? ... you use a Padded Robe, deal the same amount of damage per second and yet take more damage in comparison to Metal armor? Oh wait, you are talking about Abilities right? Well guess what, the Barb and the Guardian both have the same two(2) abilities... Retribution + Salvation ... Barb charges up Retribution faster right... if you actually looked at the images, you would have noticed they both use Healing charms in ACC... 1xx ee, however the Barb has +30 Base intelligence and Guardian 55 Base... however, that WASN'T the point ... the point is based on Damage, Stat, EE and weapon type that only has a 5 level difference and can still get to MASTER QUEST with ease.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 16 2025 03:48am

i mean the question is a pointless one surely?
85 str + dex total > 40 str + dex total stats lol.

I was saying "i dont have a metal stat armor." Therefore, i wouldnt do as much damage.

Was waiting on Bighead to drop an essay in this thread to squash this.

Actually the simple answer is in the items worn for each character class and their individual stats. Guardian can not use the Scale with +47 Strength (did you even notice the barb wearing a level 40 Scale?), however, both classes can use the +41 Strength Plate (level 35), and the level 25 Wild Heal with +37 Str and of course the level 55 Battleaxe. Barb wins.

Simple point of post. Two(2) characters @ level 55+ fully equipped and can kill easily at the same speed to Master Quest during a Good Event: +130% More EPs. Using 1 Main character means re-climbing from level 1, which = waste of time and loss of drops during a time restricted event.

Different concept aye... I can laugh at the "only play your main character every time..."!



My armors are only level 35 (Guardian) and 40 (Barb) with 40+ Strength, my charm charms are level 15 Wild with +30 Str and a level 25 charm with +37 strength... surely you can get the equivalent items at those levels with +stat trading off your Enhanced Effect Armor (if you are using EE at higher levels) and charms?

I mean... Softcore has a ton of better items that I am using, and I am sure with your time playing you could have obtained these items. I am guessing it is because of stat placement right? I am an odd duck.

i mean you already know i have the damage calc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RDkoYfhQSyWW0KNRYTAWZRLxVfeYGgj-nwqOwtgtSOs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Lets suggest for a moment you play like practically everyone else plays and did 0 intelligence on your barb, as I mentioned you'd have 45 more stats, 50 if you include the higher vitality.
so comparing your guardians 473-568 damage with 125 strength and 15 dex
to a barb same level, with 165 strength 25 dex and 100 vitality (barb has 50 higher str/dex/vitality total so added +50 str/dex combo to your current stats) but this build would be 5 intel.
this leads to: https://prnt.sc/Bkt208icMnJT
which is about an additional 20% damage.

Okay.

My Barb & Guardian are basically built the same way, it revolves around Survival and still maintaining kill speed while using Heavy Weapons... it is specialized, not Tom, Dick or Harry built. My builds are specifically Melee / Heal hybrid... this even goes with Samurai, Paladin, Monk, Ninja ... Warlock is the exception because it is Cast / Heal build (the Norm)

The difference with my Barb, Samurai and Paladin having Base 30 Intelligence... at least I can use EE cast charms vs Soften the Sneaky Shell solo'ing and NOT asking for help to kill Sneaky... ALSO... as for Guardian... just re make cata right, that is what every Tom Dick and Harry posts to new players, INCLUDING yourself.

30 Base intelligence is minimum
100 Base vitality is maximum
Rest to Strength (using Club, Battleaxe, Longsword &/or Warhammer) for more damage output.
A minimum of 100% enhanced effect Heal Charm @ level 25, 35, 45 and 55 ... if you noticed, I use my 45 on my Guardian because it has base Intelligence of 55, and the level 55 EE focus is wielded by the Barbarian to make up for the 30 base intelligence.
Abilities are only 2... Retribution and Salvation.

This Melee / Heal build works, deals the same damage FULLY equipped @ level 55 and not relying on separate set of gear.

Are you saying there is only YOUR way to play the game? Are you telling me that EVERYONE has to play the game ONE WAY ... thank God (myself) for being original and still succeeding with crappier gear than yours and others.

i've seen players with significantly worse than you succeed. stop trying to overinflate your ego with ridiculous logic. Your way is incredibly slow and inefficient for multitudes of reasons.
However i don't have a problem with you doing this.
I do have a problem with you stating its better or even optimal when it logically is not.