The validity of a moral decision is determined by the group that is influenced by the decision.
Murder is wrong because no one in the group usually wants to be murdered or wants another member if the group to be murdered because we all are somewhat dependend from each other and need each other to survive.

In other words: The right action is the one that produces the greatest flourishing for the greatest number.

Feelings like love or empathy also originate in that same corner.

So morals are of course not equally valid for us or better said for the group they are applied on. You also can declare someone immoral inside of your / our general view of morals based on what I said above.

However, there is no universal truth in morality or immorality. Morals are basically a subjectivity that became somewhat objective in the sense that most of us agree on the more clear moral questions for obvious reasons - again, as stated above.

This post was edited by Saurod on May 15 2025 10:51am

After reading this short story, I found that the machine became the master, even in the end because they don't have human emotion.
What was once is no more and what shall be is to be.

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Even if 'the machine' is a metaphor for a group of like minded individuals.
Acting as a machine or each cogg in the machine, their lack of direct contact separates them from perceived responsibility for their actions.
Those being divided by the machine, in the minds of the machine, should be smart enough to not be divided.
And it is the animal behavior deemed upon those being divided by the machine which justifies the actions in the mind of the machine.

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The problem for the machine is that history repeats it self.
There is nothing new under the sun.
This is in direct contradiction to the 'what was once' statement at the top of this post.
It's up to YOU the reader to find the truth.

This post was edited by Mondain on May 15 2025 10:59am

most people don't understand basic linguistics falls apart without objective morality, free will, etc.

almost everything becomes nonsensical and you have to construct sentences completely differently

slavery is morally good because it helps the "greatest number" of people to "flourish"

This is the same logic as Democracy.

The greatest number votes for it self and against the smaller number.
aka Mob Rule, he who has the bigger Mob Rules,
The majority rules against the minority.

This is why I will never understand why a minority group would ever want democracy.

This post was edited by Mondain on May 15 2025 11:24am

morals vary from person to person... there is no truth. it is either or not.. it is or not ..a lie is a lie or not ...the world is full of contradictions .. if i believe something that is wrong am I lying when I share it? it is my truth but not thee truth .. If I am spoiled and learned my morals from birth my morals are not the same as someone whom were not spoiled maybe.

Lets say I will tax everyone that works for me to pay for a Road ..so I can make a higher profit..Then I will tax them more to pay for a army to protect that profit.. Then i will give myself a tax break and tax what my workers need to buy, to pay for Military budgets. Then say if I tax the rich they will leave lol ... Fvck Trump..I never claimed to be perfect ..i am just a idiot bro lmao ..But i see my own reality

Your language is restricting you from grasping reality. You say there is no real me/self and its an illusion while that is not true because if it was an illusion there would have to be a reality that this illusion is mimicing. What we have is THE reality, this is what consciousness is. A very complex mixture of reacting things. The scale of the possible determinism you refer to is way to complex to act like it means free will isnt "real" whatever that means in this context.

Also as I stated in an earlier post, quantum mechanics which are - from todays scientific stance of knowledge - REALLY random. This mixed in randomness probably creates an unpredictable mixture that we might know as free will.

In the end, I stand by my point, which is that the christian god is a nonsensical self-contradicting pile of bs.

Without religion, humans would still be eating each other.

Humans may not still physically consume each other now-a-days, but psychologically and spiritually we're still at war.

Yup. That was true for a long period of time, still is in some areas and is also true in the bible by the way.

A lot of humans societies however developed and moved on from this because of empathy - which is a feeling that is also originating from the same logic.

This post was edited by Saurod on May 15 2025 11:33am

A lot of animals eat each other and a lot of them dont. Most human societies never did and some still do to this day. Spirituality is not a thing.

This post was edited by Saurod on May 15 2025 11:34am