"PARD needs some Christian content"

>all heavily politicized bullshit
>nothing appreciating the path of Jesus Christ

Right-wingers are so far gone they do not realize they have become idol worshipers.

Opinion? I deal with facts. Let's explore what the Bible says about creation shall we? Let's read the account of creation from Genesis 1-2:1-3. I've also bolded for you where God sees that what he made is good.

The Creation of the World
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. 8 And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

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Have you made it this far? Good. Here's a quote which I think applies to the subject and explains very well how I feel:

"God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying."

you could post on that topic

You said you deal with facts? What facts? Thats just a book written by unknown authors thousands of years ago. What are you talking about?

Also dont you see that even that fantasy story contradicts itself? God wouldnt have to see that it was good. He can just make it good. He KNOWS its good before he makes it. He doesnt have to "see that it was good".

How can you take a story like that, clearly metaphorical in meaning, written in a way so that people could imagine how everything came to be in a simple and entertaining way in a time when nobody had a clue about anything and tell me you "deal with facts"?

This post was edited by Saurod on May 15 2025 01:28am

Which risk? Do you think an omnipotent being, creator or EVERYTHING, has to
take risks and cross fingers or knows what will happen?

If he takes a risk it implies he doesnt know the outcome, which means he's not all powerful and probably didnt even create everything.

The other possibility is: He knew what would happen and he made a faulty creation on purpose, which makes him fully responsable.

You cant make something and then act like its not your fault when it doesnt work as intended. He is not a parent, hes a creator. Thats a BIG difference.

God is the ultimate Author of The Bible. If humans were to write The Bible then we would have stopped at Genesis 11.

If you compare this story of creation with the others what do they say? All these gods came together and they had this big fight, then somehow the world was created. Somehow order came through Chaos. The Big Bang sounds like a big chaotic event to me yet somehow order was brought about through chaos and that's how creation happened?

Now compare that with Genesis 1. "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

The Earth is already in Chaos and God came and brought about order. "God separated the light from the darkness", "God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse", "God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas", "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years", "God created the great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind", "God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind."

God took what was already in chaos and brought about order. He separated and gave each kind it's place to rule. We have daytime and nighttime. We have dry land and sea. We have the birds of the sky, the beasts of the ground and the fish in the sea. We have Seasons for hot and cold.

How did God see that it was good? He took what was already in chaos, the earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep, then brought about order.



I am going to translate this into the question that you are actually asking: Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden?

There are 3 answers:

1. I don't know.
2. He let Adam and Eve choose between obedience and disobedience.
3. His plan was always for Jesus to be our LORD and Saviour through the Cross.

All 3 answers are true.

No, no, and no. Dont act like you know whats true or not. Dont act like you know that god is the ultimate author of anything or even existent. Claiming to know is a typical delusion religious people all share with each other.

I absolutely did not want to ask anything about a Tree or Eden. I dont even consider those things. I ask why you dont realize how nothing in the bible makes sense from the perspective of an omnipotent being.

Its all written by humans with humans in mind. Nothing is thought through everything contradicts everything, the bible doesnt even work as a proper fairy tale let alone a summary of supposedly real events.

If god would have let Adam and Eve choose, its not a real Choice because God KNOWS what they choose before they choose.
Btw. a perfect god wouldnt need a saviour for his creation if he made this creation properly to begin with. If he always had Jesus as a saviour in mind, he knew his creation would need a saviour which means he made them knowing how faulty their were.

Its so funny how you always go back to the free will thing not realizing how this doesnt take away ANY responability from god in any shape or form. God made everything according to the bible. This includes all thoughts produced by free will, this includes all evil, all imperfection, all sin, it includes every single thought ever thought by any being in the past, presence and future. God is described as a being not restricted by time, he operates outside of space and time, because he created space and time.
He cant take risks, he cant be suprised , everything is the way he wants it to be, which means he WANTED his creation to allegedly "fail" so that he himself can jump in to "rescue" them from himself.

And if you go full circle now and respond with something like its not our place to question or judge god or that we cant understand god's ways then you just prove again that you guys cant be argued with.
It doesnt matter for you religious guys if things make sense or not, because you dont give a fuck about logic or rationality because god.

Your whole life as a devout christian is a wasted life. You are a prisoner of your own delusion.

This post was edited by Saurod on May 15 2025 03:34am

Let's start from the top and let's start with what the Bible says:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Hebrews 4:12

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

These verses state that all Scripture is God-breathed, which means every word in The Bible is inspired by God. Moses may have been the one who wrote down the Law but the Law was given to Moses by God.

I'll take you through my thought process. People claim that the Bible makes no sense and that there are contradictions everywhere. People then try to come up with their own explanations. Let's take creation as an example.

The theory that people came up with is that all these gods came together and had this big fight. Somehow through that chaotic event the was formed. In every single battle I have heard about there has not once been an outcome of order of creation that came from that war. Same with the Big Bang theory. A big, massive explosion somehow caused the Earth to be formed and gave it life? Every single explosion I ever heard about only brought about destruction. You compare those theories with Genesis, you have a God who brings about order to the chaos. He separates light from dark, the land from the sea, plants vegetation and creates in order. He is in control. That makes a lot more sense to me than any other theory where creation was brought about through some chaotic event.

You didn't directly ask about the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden but the fact that you are talking about free will and about how creation was ruined is all based on that very thing. Why not discuss the roots of what this whole debate is about? This is very much about all the Tree of Knowledge.

I give you three choices of the topic of conversation.

1. We can talk about creation.
2. We can talk about free will, which will be all about the Tree of Knowledge.
3. You can choose not to respond and not engage.

I give you the free will to choose. Make your choice.