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May 7 2025 05:25pm
No idea, i live here in reality where DSD's exist, brain issues also exist and trans folk are not wired normally, if it comes down to respecting some ones gender identity or being responsible for a suicide i will be respectful because i have moral values.
I do not want to see them playing sports where they hold an advantage or using bathrooms beyond single stall genderless bathrooms which are common in my country, other than that i just let them live their lives.


https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/abs-releases-first-ever-estimates-lgbti-australians
They have to post Definitions, for made up terms that never existed prior to trans controversy.

Maybe the issue isn't sex, sexuality or emotions.
Just perhaps it's mentally related.

If you have to treat people with soft gloves because they may kill themselves, then everyone will become a cry baby about every little problem and threaten to kill themself.
Furthermore if they're making self harm threats or participating in that type of behavior, it's already a clear indication there is mental issues involved.

Yeah, there's a big difference between folks with DSDs and trans-identifying people... but thanks to queer theory they all get lumped together.

Reading more about DSD atm.

but, I find the argument you present to be similar in other health related situations.
Autism for example, there are severe cases where the person is actually suffering, and there are people who claim to have it as an excuse.

edit: ah I see what DSD is, the abbreviation threw me off, it's similar to what I posted with the abnormal chromosomes. They are specific disorders, (like a male with XX)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development

The thing is though, that a man or woman with a chromosome disorder, does not guarantee they get the opposite gentials or brain or any part of the body.
It can even mean they are disfigured or have severe health decline. To back this up, DSDs include things like Turner syndrome, which is not gender or genital related but still falls under a DSD category.

So if DSDs are not 100% related to gender or sex.
of the less than 1% claiming to be trans, and are suffering from a gender or sex related DSD, how many make the final % count.

This post was edited by Mondain on May 7 2025 05:39pm
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May 7 2025 10:18pm
No idea, i live here in reality where DSD's exist, brain issues also exist and trans folk are not wired normally, if it comes down to respecting some ones gender identity or being responsible for a suicide i will be respectful because i have moral values.
I do not want to see them playing sports where they hold an advantage or using bathrooms beyond single stall genderless bathrooms which are common in my country, other than that i just let them live their lives.


You're conflating incredibly rare developmental disorders with gender dysphoria and modern left gender theory more broadly. No one on either side of any conventional debate is talking about Chapelle / Swyer / "insert fantastically rare disorder here" when they debate whether women have penises or men have ovaries.

In the vast majority of cases gender dysphoria resolves on its own, and individuals go own to lead otherwise normal, productive lives. As the saying goes, "do no harm", disrupting the base case via American-style affirmation therapy is disastrous to the health outcome of the child involved. In a strange turn of events, pushback on this front has been strongest in Europe, where activists and activist run NGOs haven't yet been able to completely co-opt the medical process.

The premise of modern transgender activism is that Exposure Therapy (the most common and effective treatment for phobias) is fundamentally incorrect. When confronted with a physically normal, healthy man who wants to be a woman, the solution isn't to desensitize him to the fact that he will be often (or always) be seen as a man (which he is), but that he should fear it as it's literal murder and makes him physically unsafe.

You can apply this to trigger warnings in general. Being afraid of spiders isn't something to correct carefully over time, better to exterminate all spiders and, better yet, gulag anyone who isn't willing to pretend they don't exist. It's fundamentally backwards, it makes the fear worse, and small wonder that the people who ascribe to that worldview are on cocktails of drugs setting ever record lows for mental health
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May 7 2025 10:28pm
It's a cult. There's no user here who can explain why they do what they do outside of that.


haha you think trumps going to be the pope..
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May 7 2025 11:15pm
Yes, some women may have a penis, although this is a rare occurrence associated with intersex variations. This can happen due to various factors during prenatal development where the reproductive organs don't conform to typical male or female characteristics.

You lot sure do lie a lot, why is that?


Intersex can, women do not.

When you refer to "girls" you are referring to women with female sex organs, not abnormal intersex conditions.

If men are red and women are blue, intersex would be a blend of purple. You would not refer to blue and mean a blend of purple would you?

It's not wrong to laugh at someone who says "girls can have penises", when "girls", by and large, is not used to refer abnormal intersex conditions. Additionaly, and as mentioned previously, intersex is prefered to be viewed as neither a category and more of a "blend".

Communication is about getting a point across. Categories help compress complexity so people can understand each other quickly. Introducing rare exceptions, even if real, can derail the core message. The rarity of intersex conditions makes them statistically irrelevant to most basic-level communication

If Alice says to Bob: "Girls undergarnments typically vary between boys and girls due to the difference of their sex organs".

Black's alluded leftist (Plague) would flip out because intersex can have penises. Yet Alice clearly refered to a girl as in women with female sex organs.
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May 8 2025 01:51am
Here is the kicker, they don't use biological science to prove that.

https://i.imgur.com/KiOHBj4.jpeg

You see XX as 'an abnormal' Male. That is not Female, it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

Now bear with me, I'm getting to my point.

The majority of people are XX or XY.
Meaning the majority of trans are XX or XY.

And seeing how trans is a 1% or less issue, the actual number of trans with chromosome abnormality is even less than 1%.
There really is no argument and that is why they stopped trying to defend it with science.


The easiest way to frame it is that 99.99% of people exhibit a 99.99% identifiable sexual dimorphism. Even those with genetic or reproductive abnormalities who could technically be classified as intersex are almost all entirely structured as one identifiable gender. Those who are trans ideology as if biology has anything to do with it, given the rate of true intersex people, might as well be arguing for handicap accessibility for people born with two heads. And yeah we have all sorts of poorly defined answers about how the Hensels should be treated by law and society. At least in the modern day they have better options than a circus. Its not a real concern, anyone who claims they are trans in this day and age is almost certainly swinging a cock and balls around under a dress
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May 8 2025 03:01am
This is not some kind of jab, but this is a genuine questions I have tried to understand. When it comes to literal facts, why does MAGA just completely ignore what their own eyes and ears tell them? Trump lies literally every single day, and some of the stuff is so easily refutable, you'd have to willfully change reality in your mind to accept them.

For example, Trump posted an image of himself as pope on his Truth Social. The white house twitter posted it. It's a FACT.

https://i.imgur.com/GK80URM.png

What does Trump do? Deny it.

https://i.imgur.com/VrFHmGD.png
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/05/06/donald-trump-responds-criticism-ai/

It's almost GUARANTEED that MAGA will somehow find a way to force themselves to believe that Trump did not post it. Why? He did it. Why is it so hard to accept reality that Trump is a blatant liar? He also said eggs were down 87%, as another example. This is LITERALLY false. You can drive 5 minutes to your grocery store and check eggs and see that they are NOT now $0.50 a dozen or even $1 a dozen.

I am literally just trying to understand what goes through MAGAs mind and the logic they use to alter reality to for Trump? It must be exhausting and I believe something that will be studied for years (unless that is also defunded).


The only fact that matters here is that your TDS is hitting critical levels

Trump is NOT the king or pope or dictator he's the POTUS and he's clearly very good at trolling people LMAO


It's a cult. There's no user here who can explain why they do what they do outside of that.


Trump won. Everything.

Get over it
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May 8 2025 05:20am
Trump won. Everything.

Get over it


Not an argument.
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May 8 2025 05:47am
You're conflating incredibly rare developmental disorders with gender dysphoria and modern left gender theory more broadly. No one on either side of any conventional debate is talking about Chapelle / Swyer / "insert fantastically rare disorder here" when they debate whether women have penises or men have ovaries.

In the vast majority of cases gender dysphoria resolves on its own, and individuals go own to lead otherwise normal, productive lives. As the saying goes, "do no harm", disrupting the base case via American-style affirmation therapy is disastrous to the health outcome of the child involved. In a strange turn of events, pushback on this front has been strongest in Europe, where activists and activist run NGOs haven't yet been able to completely co-opt the medical process.

The premise of modern transgender activism is that Exposure Therapy (the most common and effective treatment for phobias) is fundamentally incorrect. When confronted with a physically normal, healthy man who wants to be a woman, the solution isn't to desensitize him to the fact that he will be often (or always) be seen as a man (which he is), but that he should fear it as it's literal murder and makes him physically unsafe.

You can apply this to trigger warnings in general. Being afraid of spiders isn't something to correct carefully over time, better to exterminate all spiders and, better yet, gulag anyone who isn't willing to pretend they don't exist. It's fundamentally backwards, it makes the fear worse, and small wonder that the people who ascribe to that worldview are on cocktails of drugs setting ever record lows for mental health


well said
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May 8 2025 06:32am
This is not some kind of jab, but this is a genuine questions I have tried to understand. When it comes to literal facts, why does MAGA just completely ignore what their own eyes and ears tell them? Trump lies literally every single day, and some of the stuff is so easily refutable, you'd have to willfully change reality in your mind to accept them.

For example, Trump posted an image of himself as pope on his Truth Social. The white house twitter posted it. It's a FACT.

https://i.imgur.com/GK80URM.png

What does Trump do? Deny it.

https://i.imgur.com/VrFHmGD.png
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/05/06/donald-trump-responds-criticism-ai/

It's almost GUARANTEED that MAGA will somehow find a way to force themselves to believe that Trump did not post it. Why? He did it. Why is it so hard to accept reality that Trump is a blatant liar? He also said eggs were down 87%, as another example. This is LITERALLY false. You can drive 5 minutes to your grocery store and check eggs and see that they are NOT now $0.50 a dozen or even $1 a dozen.

I am literally just trying to understand what goes through MAGAs mind and the logic they use to alter reality to for Trump? It must be exhausting and I believe something that will be studied for years (unless that is also defunded).


Why would anyone care if he posted it or anyone else? Its a fun image, stop the "offended" madness. Please.

This post was edited by Saurod on May 8 2025 06:32am
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May 8 2025 09:26am
Not an argument.


You mean you can't argue against that :thumbsup:
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