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Holocaust witness testimony stating discolored bodies removed from the gas chambers.

Holocaust witness testimonies describing discolored bodies removed from gas chambers are documented in various accounts, particularly from survivors and perpetrators at Nazi extermination camps like Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, and Sobibor. The discoloration of victims' bodies—often described as blue, green, or reddish—was attributed to the effects of poison gas, primarily Zyklon B (hydrogen cyanide), used in the chambers. Below is a summary based on historical records and testimonies:
Testimony Context: Witnesses, including Sonderkommando members (prisoners forced to dispose of bodies), reported that victims’ bodies exhibited discoloration after gassing. For example, at Auschwitz, Zyklon B caused cyanosis, a bluish or purplish tint to the skin, due to oxygen deprivation and cyanide’s interference with hemoglobin. Some accounts also noted reddish or greenish hues, possibly from chemical reactions or post-mortem changes.

Specific Accounts:
Filip Müller, an Auschwitz Sonderkommando survivor, described in his memoir Eyewitness Auschwitz (1979) how bodies removed from gas chambers showed "bluish" or "greenish" discoloration, particularly around the face and extremities, due to the effects of Zyklon B.

Rudolf Höss, Auschwitz commandant, in his post-war testimony (Nuremberg Trials, 1946), confirmed the use of Zyklon B and noted that victims’ bodies often appeared discolored, sometimes with a bluish tint, shortly after gassing.

Yehuda Bacon, a survivor of Auschwitz, testified during the Eichmann trial (1961) about seeing bodies with unnatural colors, including blue and red marks, being removed from the chambers.

Treblinka survivors, like Chil Rajchman in his memoir The Last Jew of Treblinka (2009), described similar observations of discolored corpses, though carbon monoxide was often used there, leading to cherry-red discoloration from carboxyhemoglobin formation.

Scientific Explanation:
Zyklon B (cyanide) inhibits cellular respiration, causing cyanosis (blue tint) as oxygen levels drop.

Carbon monoxide, used in some camps, binds to hemoglobin, producing a reddish hue.

Post-mortem lividity and decomposition could enhance greenish or mottled appearances, as noted in some testimonies.

Primary Sources: These observations are corroborated in documents like the Vrba-Wetzler Report (1944), which detailed Auschwitz’s gas chambers and mentioned physical signs on victims, and the Protocols of the Auschwitz Trial (1963-1965), where survivors and SS guards described the process and aftermath.


You gonna share your grok prompt?

I'm sure it started with "Hey GROK, I need help debunking his Holocaust Denier, can you help me?"


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This one for :lol:
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That comparison doesn’t really hold up. ‘Irish’ is a nationality — it refers to people from Ireland, regardless of their religion. ‘Jewish’ is a religion. Saying ‘Ireland is for the Irish’ is about national self-determination after finally removing the imperial occupier. Saying ‘Israel is for the Jews’ implies a religious exclusivity in a state that also includes millions of non-Jews.

So when you say Ireland for the Irish, then, to say the same thing for Israel it would be: Palestine for the Palestinians, you know, after they get rid of their occupier. ill try to do a few meme's, i accept that you struggle with certain words and ideas.

again, this would be the closest similarity based on your statement.

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That comparison doesn’t really hold up. ‘Irish’ is a nationality — it refers to people from Ireland, regardless of their religion. ‘Jewish’ is a religion. Saying ‘Ireland is for the Irish’ is about national self-determination after finally removing the imperial occupier. Saying ‘Israel is for the Jews’ implies a religious exclusivity in a state that also includes millions of non-Jews.

So when you say Ireland for the Irish, then, to say the same thing for Israel it would be: Palestine for the Palestinians. ill try to do a few meme's, i accept that you struggle with certain words and ideas.


Jewish is religion, nation and ethnicity as well as culture all in one :santa:
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May 3 2025 03:18am
You gonna share your grok prompt?
I'm sure it started with "Hey GROK, I need help debunking his Holocaust Denier, can you help me?"

https://i.imgur.com/8cC0KiC.jpeg


I already did.

"Holocaust witness testimony stating discolored bodies removed from the gas chambers."
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May 3 2025 03:21am
Well if you said "Israel is for the Israelites" that would be the world jewry sans converts and about 1000 living samaritans who already live in israel and are led by a guy actually named aabed el ben asher ben matzliach who used to make tahini and they're only not considered jews because... checks notes... they believe the binding of isaac took place at mount gerizim instead of mount zion, and are more or less identical to jews otherwise. Classic schism quibblers
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Jewish is religion, nation and ethnicity as well as culture all in one :santa:


Israel is a country. Jewish is a religion. These must be very difficult concepts for you. If you did not like my correction, dont make mistakes.
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Israel is a country. Jewish is a religion. These must be very difficult concepts for you. If you did not like my correction, dont make mistakes.


Jewish is *mostly* a religion. He wasn't wrong.
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Jewish is *mostly* a religion. He wasn't wrong.


last i checked there was no country on the planet called "Jew". That applies to all religions and countries. It could be argued the Vatican City is completely Catholic and im sure one or two others can fall into this bracket if one wishes to be pedantic. over 50% in israel is non-jewish btw.

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