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Apr 28 2025 04:17pm
So you want to steal money from americans and give it to mexicans


making assets knowable and having a progressive tax system has nothing to do with country of origin. BUT stealing, insider trading and money laundering are crimes that are legal for a few.

You don't represent Trump well spewing racist BS, lol are you a schill for big money with what you are saying "steal from Americans and give to Mexicans"....I'm talking about taxing the elites and helping all working citizens? I voted for Trump, just optimistic that he could do something to bring accountability to not just illegal migrants but also the elites and we can re-orginize the country for it's people and not it's overlords.


you make Trump voters look bad dude

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Apr 28 2025 04:20pm
making assets knowable and having a progressive tax system has nothing to do with country of origin or stealing, insider trading and money laundering.

You don't represent Trump well spewing racist BS, lol are you a schill for big money with what you are saying "steal from Americans and give to Mexicans"....I'm talking about taxing the elites and helping all working citizens? I voted for Trump, just optimistic that he could do something to bring accountability to not just illegal migrants but also the elites and we can re-orginize the country for it's people and not it's overlords.


you make Trump voters look bad dude


You just said you want to give non-citizens a path to citizenship and give them the elite's wealth.
Sounds to me like you want to finance a foreign invasion by seizing the assets of every kulak who owns one more cow than his neighbor.

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Apr 28 2025 04:41pm
You just said you want to give non-citizens a path to citizenship and give them the elite's wealth.
Sounds to me like you want to finance a foreign invasion by seizing the assets of every kulak who owns one more cow than his neighbor.


path to citizenship can be rejected based on qualifications of what is needed (and has to do with work skills not looks). I can't see it being reasonable to kick out 30M-100M people who are here especially if they are working.


This is not giving people money, it is allowing them to work and build wealth (they already will pay taxes directly/indirectly if they consume, drive, rent a property).

You could still have social security tax on the regular folks since eventually they do get some of that $ back but income tax should be abolished for the working poor in a truly progressive society that over half of assets are owned by less than 0.1% of people

just passing the 2017 cuts is not nearly enough for working citizens

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Apr 28 2025 04:42pm
no foreign invasion, stop the illegal immigration (which they have already done) and path to citizenship for people who have proven to be good and needed in our country, not a race thing but a productive occupation/good citizen thing
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Apr 28 2025 04:44pm
I fail to see how this is a problem though, or how it's a unique problem from the present status quo.

Taxes already cause people who don't own property to be broke. If higher taxes causes property owners to be broke enough to have to sell property, how is that a uniquely bad thing? This is a very normal thing for the regular non-property owner. Their taxes then get reduced after they sell a property. And they're no longer broke, since they're swimming in cash from selling a property. I just don't see or relate to the sentiment of wanting to have your cake and eat it too - owning property and land but not paying more taxes because of it.

To me it seems like this would encourage people to actually work and be productive instead of owning properties and doing nothing all day. Higher tax encourages/forces people to actually work and generate value for the economy.


The thing is asset owners already are taxed for their assets.

You pay property tax already
You pay tax on dividends or interest income earned from stocks or bonds


Attaching another income tax on assets that're already taxed seems excessive. I disagree that this would encourage people to work harder. What would happen IMO is encourage consumption so you don't spill over into the next bracket where you'd get hit with higher income taxes. Idk, maybe i'm misunderstanding his point.
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Apr 28 2025 04:46pm
The thing is asset owners already are taxed for their assets.

You pay property tax already
You pay tax on dividends or interest income earned from stocks or bonds


Attaching another income tax on assets that're already taxed seems excessive. I disagree that this would encourage people to work harder. What would happen IMO is encourage consumption so you don't spill over into the next bracket where you'd get hit with higher income taxes. Idk, maybe i'm misunderstanding his point.


not another one, simply one that is based on assets in a custom way for a few people to be guided towards Infrastructure, Sustainability, Education of the people. Not a new tax they already have an income tax. This is making the same thing wayyyy more simple without cheaters.
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Apr 28 2025 04:47pm
Lag double post

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The difference between sticking your dick in a toaster and sticking just the tip. Its a fundamentally unworkable policy that is more self destructive the larger you scale it up. You keep it small and it would be a smaller destruction, but still accomplishing nothing.

The simple fact you're skating around is that the top 1% of earners currently make about 26% of total taxable income and pay 46% tax rate, the next 50% earn 64% of income and pay 17% tax rate, and the bottom 49% earn 10% of income and pay no income tax at all. We already have a progressive tax system, where billionaires pay vastly disproportionately rates and half the country pays nothing. As communist revolutions in the past have found out so catastrophically, you can't feed your kids with the crumbs you loot from the aristocracy


The Allies destroyed all documents detailing the economic system of German National Socialism, which elevated every single citizen to the middle class, took a nation from completely broke to a superpower in 6 short years, gave everyone a job, and captured near total political support from the population. Poverty was eradicated.

Just because all that research and proven economic policy was destroyed, does not mean it does not exist. It simply means we need to figure it out again. Communism obviously isn't the answer, but national socialism is.

The Germans were "so good at keeping records" except, you know, just all of their domestic policy.

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Apr 28 2025 05:00pm
The thing is asset owners already are taxed for their assets.
You pay property tax already
You pay tax on dividends or interest income earned from stocks or bonds
Attaching another income tax on assets that're already taxed seems excessive. I disagree that this would encourage people to work harder. What would happen IMO is encourage consumption so you don't spill over into the next bracket where you'd get hit with higher income taxes. Idk, maybe i'm misunderstanding his point.


Property taxes are almost entirely reserved for serving county/school expenses to keep them related to land utilization, while interest income is only on realized gains, which is just an income tax.
It makes sense for property that exists dependent on services and infrastructure to pay for those services and infrastructure, while taxing generalized liquid wealth that could exist anywhere, is how you get it to exist elsewhere.
As long as schools are a public service and firefighters have to show up to your home, people living in the county need to pay for them, and that payment can come from taxing assets that can only exist in that county.
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Apr 28 2025 05:59pm
let me introduce you to something called a trust. trusts can't die. and i think they'd skirt right around your scheme. or people would just create a business that own's their assets to skirt it.


Exactly. It's always the middle class that pays all the taxes. Too poor to make use of loopholes, multiple passports, trusts, etc. Just rich enough to contribute a lot, in the aggregate.
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