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Apr 24 2025 04:11pm
I'm going to force myself to keep this short, I had one of my famous multi paragraph long posts written up but scrapped it.

Basket of Deplorables, irredeemable, not America. We all remember these words. If you forgot:


Quote (Hillary Clinton)
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.


Now, to skip my ranting, I want to focus on the bold. My first crack at this and I was writing about the gold standard, NAFTA, Obama favoring university to the point on not funding trade programs in schools. I have to stay focused. The point is these words, "...we have to understand and empathize with as well." This, to me, is not only a confession but a declaration of intention. Hillary Clinton knew the working class was dying in America. She knew that by the end of Obama's second term, the middle class was now only 49% of the nation. The increasing intensity of the stratification of wealth. It had been going on for decades, but I'll start in the nineties since I was only alive for that. Between Clinton with NAFTA and the WTO, Bush's financial collapse, and Obama's failure to implement any policies that would reverse the trend, it is apparent both parties are willing to accept these developments, if not directly responsible.

The statement of "understand and empathize" says it all. Those who ruled over our nation have simply accepted this result. There was no solution to resolve these concerns. No efforts to be made to reverse these outcomes. Sorry your town is an economic dead zone because vulture capitalists are given free reign, but we understand why you're upset, we empathize. That is all they can offer, because this is the result they have delivered. This was the life goal, the plan all along. The fractured middle and working class are just the broken eggs in the globalist omelet. This is why trade policy is a no go. You can't have protectionist tariffs in place, and you can't have domestic industry. They openly state that they feel working class jobs are something beneath Americans. I don't believe Americans feel this way, but it may be a degree of projection from politicians and media types.

Now, I won't speak much about tariffs. I have a degree in economics and was taught they are bad. From an economic perspective, sure. From a perspective of industrial policy and national economic robustness, there is definitely room to argue. But for me, in my life, this is the most extravagant move ever made that could promote domestic manufacturing. I can't speak much on economic nationalism, since I still haven't really come to terms with my feelings on it. I know the free trade advocates always say there is nothing wrong with trade imbalances, but my instincts tell me that isn't a sustainable economic model. On top of that, our transition from a manufacturing economy to service and tech and financial and nonsense economy hasn't been beneficial to the middle class. Maybe you can say globalization isn't the cause. Correlation doesn't equal causation. That is true. But I can definitely argue it didn't help.

Now, back to deplorables. The point is you grow to resent the people you harm. It's a enforced psychologically two fold. On one hand, one's conscious suffers if one inflicts hardship on those underserving. On the other, those enduring hardship hardly encourage compassion when calling you a cunt over all this grief. The mentality of the left is to justify this hardship. The people who lost their jobs weren't undeserving, they're uneducated bigots. You see. And like that, you can easily look at someone struggling and say, "fuck 'em." This is the impression millions of Americans have when thinking of the Left. This is also the impression they have when thinking of the right (hence why every time Trump isn't explicitly on the ballot, they lose). This resentment is felt both ways, and it leads to shutting out the opinions of others at best and the justifications of violence at worst.

I have to stop, sorry for my ranting. I haven't written a thread in years. When I worked at the college library, I could get a little more focus, now I'm too scatterbrained.
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Apr 24 2025 04:33pm
Research and write an essay about late stage capitalism

You will probably see it matches with what's going on now
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Their arrogance will be their destruction
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On the other, those enduring hardship hardly encourage compassion when calling you a cunt over all this grief. The mentality of the left is to justify this hardship. The people who lost their jobs weren't undeserving, they're uneducated bigots. You see. And like that, you can easily look at someone struggling and say, "fuck 'em."


It's a rather convenient narrative for wealthy upper middle class whites to brush aside the woes of millions of poor Americans on the basis that they're too stupid to make good use of their white privilege - even worse than that, they refuse to even acknowledge they have it!

/humble shutout to Obama's clinging to guns and bibles comment

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trump and clinton utilize hegelian dialectic to pit two groups against each other, in order to create their pre-determined solution.

if people can't stop being willing puppets, those who control the AI will rule the earth.

You will not exist, your children will not exist, no mention of you will be found anywhere.

Have a great day, figure it out, ayo.

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It's a rather convenient narrative for wealthy upper middle class whites to brush aside the woes of millions of poor Americans on the basis that they're too stupid to make good use of their white privilege - even worse than that, they refuse to even acknowledge they have it!

/humble shutout to Obama's clinging to guns and bibles comment


"“too small-minded to govern their own affairs,” and insisting that “order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign.”
obama

I'm going to force myself to keep this short, I had one of my famous multi paragraph long posts written up but scrapped it.

Basket of Deplorables, irredeemable, not America. We all remember these words. If you forgot:


Now, to skip my ranting, I want to focus on the bold. My first crack at this and I was writing about the gold standard, NAFTA, Obama favoring university to the point on not funding trade programs in schools. I have to stay focused. The point is these words, "...we have to understand and empathize with as well." This, to me, is not only a confession but a declaration of intention. Hillary Clinton knew the working class was dying in America. She knew that by the end of Obama's second term, the middle class was now only 49% of the nation. The increasing intensity of the stratification of wealth. It had been going on for decades, but I'll start in the nineties since I was only alive for that. Between Clinton with NAFTA and the WTO, Bush's financial collapse, and Obama's failure to implement any policies that would reverse the trend, it is apparent both parties are willing to accept these developments, if not directly responsible.

The statement of "understand and empathize" says it all. Those who ruled over our nation have simply accepted this result. There was no solution to resolve these concerns. No efforts to be made to reverse these outcomes. Sorry your town is an economic dead zone because vulture capitalists are given free reign, but we understand why you're upset, we empathize. That is all they can offer, because this is the result they have delivered. This was the life goal, the plan all along. The fractured middle and working class are just the broken eggs in the globalist omelet. This is why trade policy is a no go. You can't have protectionist tariffs in place, and you can't have domestic industry. They openly state that they feel working class jobs are something beneath Americans. I don't believe Americans feel this way, but it may be a degree of projection from politicians and media types.

Now, I won't speak much about tariffs. I have a degree in economics and was taught they are bad. From an economic perspective, sure. From a perspective of industrial policy and national economic robustness, there is definitely room to argue. But for me, in my life, this is the most extravagant move ever made that could promote domestic manufacturing. I can't speak much on economic nationalism, since I still haven't really come to terms with my feelings on it. I know the free trade advocates always say there is nothing wrong with trade imbalances, but my instincts tell me that isn't a sustainable economic model. On top of that, our transition from a manufacturing economy to service and tech and financial and nonsense economy hasn't been beneficial to the middle class. Maybe you can say globalization isn't the cause. Correlation doesn't equal causation. That is true. But I can definitely argue it didn't help.

Now, back to deplorables. The point is you grow to resent the people you harm. It's a enforced psychologically two fold. On one hand, one's conscious suffers if one inflicts hardship on those underserving. On the other, those enduring hardship hardly encourage compassion when calling you a cunt over all this grief. The mentality of the left is to justify this hardship. The people who lost their jobs weren't undeserving, they're uneducated bigots. You see. And like that, you can easily look at someone struggling and say, "fuck 'em." This is the impression millions of Americans have when thinking of the Left. This is also the impression they have when thinking of the right (hence why every time Trump isn't explicitly on the ballot, they lose). This resentment is felt both ways, and it leads to shutting out the opinions of others at best and the justifications of violence at worst.

I have to stop, sorry for my ranting. I haven't written a thread in years. When I worked at the college library, I could get a little more focus, now I'm too scatterbrained.

i think i understand what your saying?
demonizing and dehumanizing those you harm is a very common practice. like the solders in veitnam they dont kill a human they are killing 'gooks. most people cant harm a fellow human being.
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The statement of "understand and empathize" says it all. Those who ruled over our nation have simply accepted this result. There was no solution to resolve these concerns. No efforts to be made to reverse these outcomes. Sorry your town is an economic dead zone because vulture capitalists are given free reign, but we understand why you're upset, we empathize. That is all they can offer, because this is the result they have delivered. This was the life goal, the plan all along. The fractured middle and working class are just the broken eggs in the globalist omelet.


Bravo! Unfettered globalization is a deeply neoliberal policy and essentially transfers wealth from the first-world working- and middle-classes to the global rich, and to a small, emerging middle class in developing countries.



The crux with globalization is that it's a slow and insidious poison: at first, only a few jobs are offshored, and they tend to be of the less desirable sort, like in clothing factories or steel mills. Two percent lose their job, 98% see their purchasing power grow because their clothes have become cheaper. At least on a generational scale, the unemployment created this way is rather easily absorbed by a booming economy and the emergence of new jobs in the knowledge and service sectors. Then, another 5% lose their job. On a macro scale, the benefits for the economy still outweigh the downsides. Then another 5%, but this time, the negative impact begins to outweigh the benefits in a few heavily affected localities. The job market can't compensate for all the lost jobs, and the corresponding loss of purchasing power begins to eat up the gains derived from stuff becoming ever cheaper. Globalization has become a bane for many manufacturing towns and working-class communities, but there are plenty of other groups and places which still benefit, particularly on the coasts and in the professional, white-collar sector. And those tend to be the more influential and well-connected groups.

A few lonely voices begin publicly warning that if the current path is continued, economic devastation will follow, think of Ross Perrot's "sucking sound"-speech. But by this point, the early "success" of globalization has already allowed the free trade mantra to become entrenched in politics, academia and the corporate world. Nobody among the decision-makers listens, full steam ahead into globalist utopia! The "peace dividend" after the end of the Cold War plus the largest generation in history hitting their peak earning years plus particularly rapid technological advances in the IT sector, flanked by the 'financialization' of the economy and increasingly huge public deficits, paper over the accelerating decline of the country's economic foundation. This keeps the wheel spinning and delays the political backlash by 10-15 years, which means another 10-15 years of going down the wrong path.




All that being said, I do not believe that crudely implemented tariffs are a silver bullet which can magically reverse the economic trends and mistakes of the previous 50 years. I'd say a 10% baseline tariff on all imported goods from everywhere, coupled with much higher tariffs on the worst offenders like China, is a reasonable approach. It will take a long time to show results, though, and it needs to be implemented carefully and competently. The chaotic public messaging coming out of the Trump admin did them no favors if you ask me. And again: a full reversal of the economic damage is impossible.

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Apr 24 2025 06:40pm
Research and write an essay about late stage capitalism

You will probably see it matches with what's going on now
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The entire concept of "late stage capitalism" is theoretical. 2008-2016 were the years to discuss Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism. These days, discussing these ideologies is exhausting. I can't say anything new about these things that I haven't said or read or heard anyone else say. We spent the years of global financial collapse discussing our theoretical systems while neglecting to advocate for any policy solutions to the problem beyond "universal healthcare" or "tax the billionaires" or "nationalize the industries" or "raise the minimum wage." The thing that makes the Trump Tariffs (which I have not a ton of confidence in undoing five decades of intended economic developments) so exciting is these are actual tangible policies put in place to restructure the economic system.

trump and clinton utilize hegelian dialectic to pit two groups against each other, in order to create their pre-determined solution.

if people can't stop being willing puppets, those who control the AI will rule the earth.

You will not exist, your children will not exist, no mention of you will be found anywhere.

Have a great day, figure it out, ayo.


I'll be honest. I don't know what a Hegelian Dialectic is. I think I tried reading about it a while back but I either lost interest or forgot what I read. However, the entire point of politics is to come to a solution between two (or more) groups that oppose each other. Of course their solutions are pre-determined solutions, those conditions that would satisfy their worldview. Unless you're saying pre-determined solution in the sense of those in charge already know what will happen and this is all an elaborate show for the public. While I do like those types of conspiracies, I don't know why an overarching power structure would dominate so much media with political dialogue. Unless the entire political show is a distraction from ultimate goals. Pretty lousy distraction.
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Apr 24 2025 07:03pm
Long term trade imbalances have dire consequences. The greatest investors of the last half century knew this and talked about it 20 years ago. I have an econ/business background too and the brainwash is strong within academia and even beyond that within the corpo world. It's become so ingrained that they'll justify all of this offshoring and tell you how it brought cheap goods meanwhile large swathes of middle America are working for 15 bucks an hour at dollar general or some other retailer when 30 years ago there was a steel mill or a car parts manufacturer that provided you with a pension, steady employment, that generated enough income to own a home and a car and live comfortably on one income.

I think Trump and his economic dream probably falls short but it would be great if at least some high tech manufacturing comes here.

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Long term trade imbalances have dire consequences. The greatest investors of the last half century knew this and talked about it 20 years ago. I have an econ/business background too and the brainwash is strong within academia and even beyond that within the corpo world. It's become so ingrained that they'll justify all of this offshoring and tell you how it brought cheap goods meanwhile large swathes of middle America are working for 15 bucks an hour at dollar general or some other retailer when 30 years ago there was a steel mill or a car parts manufacturer that provided you with a pension, steady employment, that generated enough income to own a home and a car and live comfortably on one income.

I think Trump and his economic dream probably falls short but it would be great if at least some high tech manufacturing comes here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=470r-gUrJVU


In The Simpsons, Mr. Burns' nuclear power plant employed essentially the entire town. And Homer lived a comfortable life and was a homeowner on his single uneducated income
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